From: [l--p] at [s1.gov] (Loren I. Petrich) Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,soc.history,alt.pagan,sci.skeptic Subject: Re: Question regarding the Goddess in Europe Date: 18 Aug 1993 05:36:17 GMT In article <24s344$[j f v] at [truffula.fp.trw.com]> [e--w--n] at [trwacs.fp.trw.com] (Harry Erwin) writes: >Since we don't have much in the way of written records (or even symbolic >materials) it's hard to treat the Goddess hypothesis as much more than >speculation. The triune Goddess of the Celts (maiden, woman, crone) has >connections to the third aspect of IE ideology, so much of what has been >written in that area is speculative. There is good evidence that the PIE >groups were patriarchal. The most interesting groups in this connection are the Neolithic and Minoan ones, who were pre-Indo-European. [for more on IE reconstructed culture, see J.P. Mallory's _In Search of the Indo-Europeans_] About Indo-European ideology itself, it is possible to make a fair number of inferences, both from language and from comparative mythology. From the vocabulary that can be reconstructed, one can look for words that are distinctive, rather than "universal" words like those for numbers, body parts, natural phenomena, and so forth. Their having a word for "snow", for instance (English "snow", German "Schnee", Latin "nix, niv-", Greek "nix, niph-", Russian "sneg" < IE *sneigwh-), means only that the early IE speakers lived somewhere where it snows, which is a very large area. But words for horses (Latin "equus", Greek "hippos", Sanskrit "as'va", Old English "eoh" < IE *ekwos), and wheeled vehicles suggest that the early IE speakers had horses and wheeled vehicles, the archeological record of which might be used to set an earliest possible time of presence. From clues like this, Marija Gimbutas has proposed the identification of the IE speakers with the Kurgan culture of South Russia, which spread from there starting about 4000-3500 BCE. The culture was named after the burial mounds of its chieftains, who often had a lot of company in their tombs. The one who is presumably the leader is always male, as far as has been found. Now for cultural deductions. There are a lot of words for a husband's relatives, but not for a wife's relatives; the in-law vocabulary suggests that women moved to their husbands, rather than men to their wives. And there is also the name of a (presumably) important deity: Old English: Tiu Old Norse: Tyr Latin: Jovis Pater (>Juppiter) Greek: Zeus Pater Sanskrit: Dyaus Pitar IE: *Dye:us [REDACTED] at [te]:r [@ = schwa, upside-down "e"] Literally, "Father Sky", perhaps the first Heavenly Father in history. But he was almost certainly not alone, unlike a more familiar one :-) Social structure? The historian Dume'zil has proposed a tripartite scheme that is much like Plato's Republic: Kings and priests [sovereign class] Soldiers [forceful class] Common people [productive class] This division of classes is rather widespread, and it appears in such things as an ancient Iranian medical text that classifies medicines as spell-medicines (sovereigns' territory), knife-medicines (soldiers' territory), and herb-medicines (productive class's territory). Some early Germanic tribes had three styles of executions: hanging for sovereign-class offenses, beheading or bludgeoning for forceful-class offenses, and drowning for productive-class offenses. Corresponding to these three classes is three types of deities: Sovereign class: god of the bright shining sky Forceful class: thunder god Productive class: fertility deities, including a female figure and twins on horseback The first two types are always male, while the third is a mixed-sex grab bag. The Thunder God has an enemy, who is a snake-monster whom he fights. This is deduced from the numerous stories of deities and heroes battling snake-monsters. Not surprisingly, those deities interpreted as being pre-IE break this tripartite mold. Example: the Greek Athena is a deity of wisdom [sovereign], war [forceful], and olive trees and health [productive]. And by IE standards, she is of the wrong sex for the first two! She may have been a heritage of a pre-IE population in which women could have important roles and which worshipped deities made in the likeness of that; in later times she was pictured as something of a Phyllis Schlafly figure who would present herself as an example of -- /Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster /[l--p] at [s1.gov]