From: [p b mether] at [dingo.cc.uq.oz.au] (Maria Etheridge)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: DMT FAQ IS HERE!
Date: 22 Aug 1994 21:26:31 GMT
DMT FAQ I found at one of the archives....
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DMT is Dimethyl Tryptamine = N,N Dimethyl 3-amino-ethyl indole.
It is a powerful hallucinogen, the prototype of this class, and
chemically related to psiloc(yb)in and more distantly to LSD.
Dose: around 60 mg.
Method of ingestion: usually smoked (inactive orally at reasonable doses.)
Can be combined with monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOI) to make it
orally active and increase the duration.
Could be snuffed or or injected.
Duration of action: 2-5 minutes of peak, around half an hour of cruise.
Side effects: Stimulation and tactile hallucination during trip. No
perceivable after-effects. No known long term side effects. May be
some link with schizophrenia, since it has been detected in vivo.
History: is a component of some snuffs used by South American natives.
also used in combination with MAOIs (harmaline etc.).
Availability: Very rarely available from dealers; rarely synthesised.
Available from a range of natural sources.
Psychological effects: A very intense but brief trip, not really
euphoric. Can be frightening because of the sudden onset.
Not really a party drug, rather an interesting experience.
More intense than LSD, but hallucinations and perceptual
changes are of a somewhat different nature.
(these are only my opinions and recollections)
J
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There are three issues here which are a little confused:
1) strength in the sense of effective dose,
2) strength in terms of subjective intensity,
3) being a superior hallucinogen in some subjective sense.
Comparing DMT and LSD, the first is easy.
The effective dose of LSD is around 100 ug, of DMT is around 60 mg,
so in this sense, LSD is a much stronger hallucinogen.
In terms of intensity, they are difficult to compare. Part of the intensity
of DMT stems from the fact that the onset is virtually instantaneous;
one is taken from feeling normal to the peak of the trip in the space
of a few seconds, and this can be totally disorienting and frightening.
DMT does not have the euphoria of LSD, in fact it can be quite
uncomfortable. Also, the smoking of DMT is quite unpleasant compared
with eating some small object. The types of hallucinations experienced
within the peak of the DMT trip differ markedly from those in the peak
of the LSD trip. This difference is very hard to describe, although
one might contrast the dripping flowing colourful experience of LSD
with the DMT visuals in which everything becomes super sharp to the
point of being ripped into fragments, like placing a photo in a blender.
There is some colour enhancement, but it is more like lightning-bolts
of colour rather than flowing ripples of colour, and colours may
be actually entirely changed and several multiple images seen at once.
The 20-30 minute come-down of DMT is similar in experience and intensity
to a small dose of LSD, however one is likely to be too shattered by
the initial peak to worry about this much. The account Bob posted is
highly subjective and metaphorical (as is this one, I suppose) and I
doubt that many people would experience DMT in the way described there.
However, extending the duration of DMT by the use of monoamineoxidase
inhibitors (Ayahuasca,Yage,etc.) is supposed to be a very intense
experience and could give one time to become more involved in it.
It is possible to lose all contact with the senses and the world
briefly while on DMT, as it is, e.g. from a combination of nitrous
oxide and LSD. Also, psiloc(yb)in seems to have some similarity to
DMT whilst retaining similarity to LSD, in that during the psilocin
experience one can be transported into a different reality, although
one which is still definitely based sensually on this one, and
not be able to remember or understand everday reality.
Other hallucinogenic experiences, e.g. the delerium caused by
anti-cholinergics, might be still more intense than DMT in terms
of being completely removed from traditional reality, but I don't
think anyone would recommend experimenting with these dangerous
substances.
In terms of which is the superior hallucinogen, it depends on your
taste. DMT is very interesting and extremely intense, but not
necessarily pleasant. LSD has more potential for pure recreation.
Most people would probably prefer LSD as a recreational hallucinogen,
and it would be ill-advised for someone who was not very familiar
with coping with the intensity of LSD to be thrust into the
intensity of DMT. On the other hand, if you don't like DMT, you only
have to hang on for a few minutes, whereas if you don't like LSD
you have to hang on for several hours.
This is, of course, apart from the dosage, all subjective.
J
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152.94.1.10 (L`HOMBRE INVISIBLE) writes:
>INDOLE ETHYLAMINES
>------------------
>Many plants contains psychedelic tryptamines :
> Piptadenia Peregrina
> Phalaris Grundinacea
> Mimosa hostillis
> Desmanthes illioiensis
> Arundo Donax
> etc.
>The DMT/5-methoxy-DMT ... is often located in the roots of the plant
Depends on the species - some contain it in the leaves or the bark.
>My question is :
>Is it possible to smoke the plant-material directly or do you have to
>exctract
>it first ?.
I don't know as much about 5-Me-O DMT as DMT. THere is an important
difference, which is the dose. The former is effective at about
5mg-10mg from memory, the latter at 30-60mg. Thus, it is possible
to obtain sufficient 5-Me-O DMT from smoking some impure unrefined
sources (such as the poison of Bufo alvarius)..
Considering DMT as opposed to 5-Me-O DMT (which is IMHO by far
the more desirable material), and recalling that most people
find the peak of a DMT trip only to last a very few minutes
after smoking (i.e. you have to smoke it all at once, within
a few tokes, to obtain the peak) you can easily calculate the
necessary purity. Let us say, that one is capable of smoking
100mg of material in a few seconds. THis means that a DMT
containing mixture should be at least 30% pure to get sufficient
effect, and a 5-Me-O DMT mixture should be at least 5% pure.
In actual fact, it is not quite as bad as this, because if
you are using a free-base pipe, you can get away with lower
purities because the DMT is quite volatile, so initially, the
smoking process will concentrate the DMT.
Comparing this to plant matter, which might be e.g. 0.3% DMT,
and you see at once, that you would need to smoke about 10 g
in a few seconds which is unrealistic. Hence, chemical
purification is necessary.
The alternative is to take the plant source orally in
combination with the hallucinogenic monoamineoxidase
inhibitor harmaline (and related alkaloids). These
are most readily obtained from Peganum harmala
(or Banisteriopsis caapi) and serve to activate and
potentiate tryptamines, increasing intensity and
duration and giving oral activity to DMT.
> What are the effects (Like the pure stuff (DMT)) ?
A small amount gives a wierd feeling in the body and some
perceptual change. A larger amount gives strong body feelings
and heavy visual effects , somewhat similar to LSD, but
much more based around geometry, and changes of shape
perception. A very large dose is totally awesome, and
people's responses differ, from catatonia, to screaming,
to total ecstasy. Some people describe it as a religious
experience. Many people find they completely leave our
universe for the duration, which is generally up to 5
minutes, with residual effects up to half an hour.
B
>Which plant(s) are best suited ? (Highest in DMT)
There are various possibilities. Since chemical purification
is generally necessary, the plant content is not vitally
important. Most important is supply - the best species
is one which grows locally, and in the US, the best
source is probably Desmanthus illinoensis.
If you wish to receive instructions on how to chemically
purify DMT from a plant source, and more information about
the effects of DMT, mail me at:
but do not hassle the owner of this account by replying to
this address.
J
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{In article <[1992 Dec 22 212054 16140] at [shearson.com]>, [c--i--s] at [somewhere] (Curious Furious) writes:
>
> Hi knowledgeable folks,
> I have a few questions from a FOAF:
>
> 1) When smoking DMT what is the LD50 ? Can it cause a heart attack?
>
Certainly much higher than the amount beyond which one would have
no concept of what a pipe, DMT, oneself, etc. is. Also much higher
than the amount one could get into ones body by smoking before
it was metabolised. I imagine that even if one hooked oneself
to a machine which continously fed oxygen, nitrogen, and DMT
vapour it would still be hard to _physically_ overdose.
As for heart attack, I have no idea. I can imagine being
scared to death (literally).
> 2) Has anyone tried doing DMT while on MDMA ? Any complications ?
No idea. However, one of the most striking things about DMT is its
brutalness - the rush from completely baseline to another
universe in about five seconds. Starting off baseline does
little to alter the peak (which tends to override anything)
but alters the severity of the onset.
>
> 3) Has anyone tried doing DMT while on 'rooms? Any complications ?
Yup - similar to above, except moreso. It takes a large dose
for the effects of the DMT to become visible over the effects of
the trip (likewise for LSD). Also, it is harder to trip on DMT post
psilocybin or LSD, since there is some cross tolerence.
Some combinations with DMT are worthwhile. A couple of beers
beforehand bluntens and deadens a little which can be very
helpful. A good amount of heads will add to the visual
impact, and a good amount of hash will ad to the wierdness
and otherness. N2O & DMT is interesting, but the combination
is generally intense enough to cause amnesia, and lack of
any kind of regular consciousness for the period of intoxication.
>
> 4) In the book _Archaic Revival_, Terence McKenna mentions some studies
> that found that DMT is produced heavily while in the deepest stages
> of sleep. Anybody have a reference for that?
Interesting concept. Like much of McKenna's work, I expect that
the science to back him up is scanty, non-existant, or
occasionally wrong. Makes for a good story, though.
>
> 5) Since DMT is a naturally occurring substance in the human body,
> if a machine was created which could extract DMT from your own
> blood, would that machine be considered illegal?
My limited understanding of US law suggests that if humans
contain DMT then their entire weight can be counted as DMT
(since the carrier weight can be included)
Such a theoretical machine as you suggest would be covered by
paraphernalia laws?
>
> 6) Can any MAOI be used to render DMT active orally?
>
Lamont is the expert on this, and he says yes. I am not convinced,
and I don't think there is any proper research published on
the subject. Even in the case of the traditional harmaline/DMT
interaction, the scientific data is minimal, and it is surmise
only that the DMT is orally activated by the MAOI effect
of the harmaline and not by some other effect.
I hope someone else will fill in the missing details.
>
> thank you for your time.
>
my pleasure.
J
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With respect to orally activating DMT with an MAOI,
Dennis McKenna has this to say in his '84 review article in J. Psych.
Drugs 16(4):
"The potentiation of the behavioral and pharmacological effects of
tryptamine derivatives by MAOIs has been investigated, although
the specific question of the oral potentiation of DMT and other parenterally-
active derivates has apparently not been investigated. The effects
of DMT in human volunteers was assessed before and 3 days after treatment
with the MAOI iproniazid (Sai-Halasz 1963). Patients receiving DMT
at a reduced dose following the iproniazid treatment experienced
none of the visual illusions or disturbances of time and space perception
that typify the symptoms of the drug. They reported only a feeling of
"strangeness." Patients receiving a dose equivalent to that prior
to iproniazid had a two-phase response. The first stage was similar
to the usual DMT effects, but less pronounced: illusions and hallucinations
were present but less colorful and only manifested themselves with the
eyes closed. The second phase was characterized by a persistent feeling
of "strangeness" to which the patients often reacted negatively or
indifferently. Based on these trials, Sai-Halasz (1963) speculated
that the reduced effects may have been due to the higher 5-HT
concentration in the brain due to MAO inhibition, thus mitigating the
5-HT blocking effects of DMT. This speculation was also supported
by the observation that prior administration of 1-methyl-d-lysergic acid
butanolamide, a powerful serotonin antagonist, greatly exacerbated
the psychotomimetic effects of DMT (Sai-Halasz 1962)."
So, it would appear that the answer to question 6 hasn't been established.
However, some studies (mentioned above) seem to have been done demonstrating
an interaction between MAOIs and DMT.
J handled most of those questions better than I could, so I
don't have much else to add. I doubt there have been any deaths
attributable to DMT use. Also, I don't recall endogenous DMT in humans
and Dennis doesn't mention it in his review article so it is either
recent (post 1984) knowledge or it is a misprint by the poster or
publisher and should refer to a related tryptamine. Or maybe it's
another revalation from the self-constructing machine elves.
--M@
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well i went to Melbourne recently, (so recently i got back yesterday) and
i had the "opportunity" to try DMT. i smoked it as crystals through a
crack pipe, and this is what i can remember: i had 3 and 1/2 maybe 4 tokes
before i couldn't smoke anymore. this took about 20 seconds. everything
around me faded out, and a guy shouting in the distance sounded like he
was shouting from a subway, (echoed). the guy i was with told me to get
up and run around, and when i did that everything started melting and i
lost the outside world completely. i thought that this is what it is like
to be god, i was very scared, there where two sort-of thoughts in my mind:
this is what a bad trip is like, and then i thought if this is a bad trip
then it can't hurt me cause it is all in my mind. then i lost that
thought, and i have sitting in the middle of a great calm. sitting
figuratively, cause i didn't have a body. i opened my eyes, and i
had a glimpse of the outside world, for the breifest instant, and then
it started to move like a living moving escher picture. and it was
completely alien. then i closed my eyes, and i saw these interlocking
frames of gold moving into each other and i was moving into them. i
thought that i had been inside this place for eternity, and i thought that
i was never going back (to where?) i must have still known that there was
somewhere else. i completely forgot words. i couldn't think of what
things were because think of what to call them. yesterday (three days
later), i was still remembering words. the first that i remembered was
mother. but i couldn't remember who she was. i couldn't remember who i
was. and then i slowly came back to reality.(Virtuality) i realised
that i had a body and the thing that i was staring at was my own leg.
i don't think that my Virtuality will ever be the same again.
nothing can prepare you for utter devastation, which is DMT, unless you
take lots and lots of LSD maybe. i have taken that much LSD, cause my DMT
was nothing like. my advice is to take it, with someone you trust in a
quiet, safe place. and just do it man! :)
see ya round the traps, and Don't Eat the Datura! (you have to smoke it)
--
The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
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This is from _The Psychedelic Guide to the Preparation of the
Eucharist, in a few of its many guises_, as edited by Robert
E. Brown and associates of the Neo_American Church League for
Spiritual Development & the Ultimate Authority of the Clear
Light (1968), 2nd edition (1971)
DMT Synthesis
STEP I
Using an area of good ventilation or a fume hood, place a
1000 ml two hole roundbottom flask in an ice bath using the
setup in Figure II (you want a wobble stirrer in the top hole
of the flask, and a separatory dropping funnel into the side
entry). Add 400 ml cold anhydrous ether to the flask, in which
60 g indole is then dissolved, using the stirrer. To 100 ml
anhydrous ether in a separatory funnel add 50 g oxalyl
chloride. Slowly drip this solution into the vigorously
stirred indole solution over a period of 10 to 15 minutes.
Continue stirring 10 minutes longer. Allow the precipitate to
settle a few minutes and decant the liquid. Add anhydrous
ether and mix well. When satisfied as to the purity of the
precipitate, leave the golden precipitate in the flask for the
next step, which must follow immediately. Yield is
approximately 100 g.
STEP II
Dimethylamine reacts readily with indole oxalyl chloride.
Use about 400 ml ice cold anhydrous ether in the same 2 neck
1000 ml RB flask used in Step I, with the precipitate in it
from Step I. Cool the ice bath further by using salt and ice.
Estimate the weight of the precipitate and use 100 g indole
oxalyl chloride. For this weight of IOC use two entire 50 g
containers of diethylamine since it will not keep if the
container seal is broken. Cool the amine in container much
below 0 C and dissolve 1 part amine in 3 parts anhydrous cold
ether. Amine may be stored in this solution. For use, warm
stock solution to room temperature and use the appropriate
aliquot. Set up the entire apparatus the same as when adding
the oxalyl chloride. Add the amine solution slowly to the IOC
with vigorous stirring. Stir for 1/2 hour after the addition
is complete. Vacuum filter the precipitate, using ether as a
wash. It is better to slurry the ether water with the
precipitate before filtering [method used]. Recrystallise from
hot ethanol or from a 50-50 methanol-benzene mixture.
STEP III
Prepare apparatus as in Figure II (1-hole 1000 ml RB
flask set in heating mantle on magnetic stirrer with stir bar
in flask, and condenser inserted into top of flask). Prepare
the indole glyoxyl amide by melting and casting into sticks if
ether is to be used as a solvent. Aluminium foil makes a good
mould for casting pieces that will fit through the condenser.
Also a Soxhlet extractor may be used to add the crystals by
slow solution into the ether. Tetrahydrofluran, if available,
dissolves IGA and the compound is added slowly in the solution
form [method used].
To a stirred mixture of 15 g LiAlH4 in 100 ml anhydrous
ether (or THF [used]) slowly add the sticks (or solution
[used]) of IGA until 20 g have been added. Keep the rate of
reaction at a reasonable rate or boil-over may occur [do
say!]. Stir and reflux for 90 minutes after the addition is
complete. Cool in an ice bath and begin to cautiously [do
say!] hydrolyse with chips of ice or a cold solution of
methanol, added through the condenser. When there is no
further reaction, add a few ml extra water and allow to settle
finally and decant the clear liquid into an evaporating
vessel. Filter the residue and wash several times with
ether-methanol or THF-methanol [used]. Evaporate the combined
extracts and if necessary, seed the heavy syrup with crystals
of DMT. With no seed crystals the product may take days or
even weeks to crystallise [weeks]. This crude product is
adequate for smoking [do say!]. In order to purify DMT, begin
after the LiAlH4 has been hydrolysed with methanol. Add 500 ml
satd. Na2SO4 solution, mix and filter. Wash with ether or THF
and neutralise the filtrate with 0.1 N HCl. Extract with ether
in a separatory funnel and neutralise the lower layer with 0.1
N NaOh, extracting this solution in turn with chloroform. The
chloroform layer is dried over anhydrous Na2SO4, concentrated,
and from it DMT crystallises on addition of petroleum ether.
The mother liquor can be chromatographed on an alumina column
using benzene-methanol in a 99.8 to 0.2 ratio. [This last
purification is quite difficult.]
--
John Collier Email: [j--ll--r] at [ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au]
HPS -- U. of Melbourne Fax: 61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: J
Subject: Re: DMT Ingestion Methods
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 14:53:35 GMT
DMT is a powerful hallucinogen. No one should take it for granted
or use it lightly. It is also illegal, although natural sources
are uncontrolled.
In article <[1993 Jul 1 020634 2524] at [mixcom.mixcom.com]> Nathan.Bowen <[Nathan Bowen] at [mixcom.mixcom.com]> writes:
> Lately, there has been an increasing interest among alt.drugs
>posters concerning DMT in its many forms. I'm finding the many accounts
>of experiences quite intriguing, but I am still pretty thoroughly in the
>dark concerning methods of usage. I believe I understand to a
>reasonable extent the various methods themselves, but I cannot find
>sufficient information on the benefits or drawbacks of them. I seek
>both scientific evidence and subjective reports of the desirability of
>given methods from people who are in a position to know.
>
> In my understanding, eating/drinking is probably the least desirable
>method, in that it requires a monoamine oxidase inhibitor to be active
>orally.
Each method of ingestion has its own advantages and disadvantages.
Oral DMT/harmaline is potentially the best method of ingestion
in terms of having a truely profound experience of useful duration.
Coming on to the experience a little more slowly gives the user
some time to adjust and to cope with and explore the altered state.
Oral DMT is probably the only viable route for most alt.drugs
readers, who can obtain the plants but who don't have the necessary
experience and equipment to sufficiently purify DMT for smoking,
and who do not have access to synthetic DMT.
Unfortunately, the liquors produced by boiling up plant DMT
sources may well make the user puke.
Although an account of a very successful ayahuasca experience
>was recently posted that confirmed the possibility of desirable effects
>resulting from oral consumption, the prolonging effect of the
>preparation involved seems to undermine the highly-acclaimed temporariness
>of the DMT experience (hence the Businessman's Trip).
>
Well, the temporariness makes the intensity bareable when the
material is smoked. The oral experience is gentler, but just
as profound, if not moreso. Smoked DMT is so brutal, and the
effect can be so profound, that after much experience, all I
could say was that I couldn't say anything adequate about it,
and so I gave up on it.
> The most common form of ingestion, at least among the accounts on
>the 'net, is smoking. There are inherent disadvantages to inhaling the
>gases given off by burning matter, but I don't see any way around it,
>and it seems that smoking is also the most accepted method for a
>pleasurable experience.
Don't make the mistake of calling DMT pleasurable - that may
or may not be one of its side-effects :). In fact,
apart from the physical, smoked DMT is more likely to be
dysphoric than oral DMT. A single user may have one DMT
trip which is totally orgasmic, and then another which is
totally horrific, and then another that is neither.
Smoking the chemical is particularly unpleasant to the
mouth, throat, and lungs, and some people find it an
impossible task.
I don't see how, logically, a water bong or
>some such device could be implemented here, but I'm definitely willing
>(and eager) to be proven wrong.
>
Hot DMT vapours are somewhat soluble in water; if you are smoking
the chemical, then mostly what you are getting is its vapour, and
there is little you can do to improve the quality.
> The other methods that have been mentioned are snuffs (a la the
>native South American rituals)
The South American snuffs contained various tryptamines. It is
well nigh impossible to get a sufficient dose of DMT from a
snuffed plant source - the concentrations just aren't high
enough. Likewise smoking a plant. The major active in the
snuffs was probably 5-MeO-DMT.
and injection (for which I can find no
>references).
Lots of experiments in the 60's. If you have something pure
enough to inject, you might as well smoke it and save yourself
the hassle. Likewise, there is probably little advantage to
snorting the pure chemical over smoking it.
J
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: [p--er--e] at [media.mit.edu] (Pierre St. Hilaire)
Subject: Re: DMT Ingestion Methods
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 14:50:39 GMT
> The other methods that have been mentioned are snuffs (a la the
>native South American rituals) and injection (for which I can find no
>references). The snuffs have been reputed as bringing on rapid and
>powerful effects, and that seems to correspond with my knowledge of
>snuffed/injected drugs. I do not, unfortunately, have a sufficient
>amount of information on the safety of these methods. I do understand
>the inherent dangers of sending the material directly to your
>bloodstream, in that any impurities will follow just as easily. Other
>than that, I am fairly in the dark. This is where the bulk of my
>request lies. Are these methods as efficient and desirable as they seem
>at the outset? And, even if they aren't, how do they rank with oral use
>or smoking? Opinions are as welcome as facts, and any reply will be
>greatly appreciated. If I get a large enough response, I'll try to
>compile a FAQ or short informational file of some sort.
>
My experiences and those of others point to the fact that the
subjective effects of tryptamines vary markedly with the route of
absorbtion. While smoking often results in overwhelming experiences it
is possible to have more psylocibin like effects by snorting or eating
small amounts in conjunction with P harmala seeds. It seems also that
5-MeO-DMT and DMT, whose effects differ considerably when smoked, seem
to "converge" in subjective effects when taken orally. I wonder if
other knowledgeable people on the net could substanciate that last
claim.
Of all the psychedelics, short acting tryptamines seem to have
the most non linear dose-responses curve. Taking twice a barely active
dose will often result in an intense experience! That is the reason
why you should be very careful when taking them orally.
I recently found a very interesting and potentially safer way
to use 5-MeO-DMT. The key is to dissolve it in distilled water and put
the solution in one of those nose spray bottles in such a way that
each inhalation will dispense about 3-4 mg (Don't screw up there!).
When taken as a nose spray the effects come on more slowly than smoked
(about 1 min. instead of a few sec.) and the effect is more spread out
in time. The nice thing is that it is possible to very accurately
control the dose, which makes the trip a lot more manageable. Taken in
that manner, the effect can be fairly similar to psilocybin, with the
advantage that it is possible to come down within half an hour. I
guess this method could be used with DMT, but you would probably have
to convert the base into a salt (for higher solubility) since you need a
10x higher concentration of DMT in the solution.
Pierre St Hilaire
MIT Media Lab
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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs
From: [m--h--s] at [sibelius.trl.OZ.AU] (Steven Mathers)
Subject: a DMT trip
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 04:16:44 GMT
Posting this account for a FOAF.....
--------------------------
I lay back in the couch, feeling nervous anticipation and a little bit
like a lab specimen, with everyone forming a semi-circle around me
except for J who was 'packing' the pipe for me -- (with
malice and forethought, I now realize :-)
He held the pipe while I toked, which turned out to be a wise move.
The first toke produced nothing. I held it in for a few seconds and
exhaled, and imediately went to take a second. As I started to draw the
second hit, the effects of the first came down upon me. I felt stunned,
and as J later accurately described, as if I had hold of a live wire.
Christian was sitting cross legged on the floor in my field of vision, and
a pattern like a single elongated slinky became part of all his limbs
and the rest of his body. He was a spring man.
I became more disoriented as this picture began to frgament and reality
rapidly started to vanish. From somewhere, J urged me to take the third
hit (the cad!) and I somehow managed to start to inhale in the vicinity
of the pipe. I was told later that this was a good one, but I didnt feel
as if it was working. In another almost instantaneous jump, it all became
too much and I had to sit upright in the chair. My eyes were said to
have been completely wide open, although I was not aware of it. The last
thing to make any sense was the sudden, surprised exhalation of the final
lungfull of smoke.
What followed is dificult to describe because Im sure that my brain was
functioning normally enough for me to remember anything during only
a small percentage of the time spent under the influence of the DMT.
During that period I was not really aware of anything that makes sense now,
and Im not sure if it might have made sense at the time, but I doubt it.
Time certainly had no meaning, because although I was spaced for ten
minutes, I only have memories that might cover a few seconds here and there,
and even those seemed to happen simultanesouly in some instances.
The bits that did make sense enough for me to be aware of them were very, very
strange indeed. DM seems mainly to affect the sight, cognition and hearing.
The only physical sensations I felt were a choking sensation for much
of the time that I was aware, and towards the end of the experience, a feeling
that I had had a bowel movement (I hadn't). It turned out later that I had
merely been hyper-ventilating.
The visuals, once I had gone from 'springland' to full on space-out, were
not of anything vaguely related to what was in front of my eyes. In fact
it didnt matter if I had my eyes open or closed -- I had to ask if my eyes
had been open or closed during the main part of the trip, and was told
they had been both at various stages. It was mostly intense flashes of
solid pure colours -- no pastels or hues, just wham! I described it to Ronny
as like being inside a cyber-simulation like 'The lawnmower man', only
it had crashed and was throwng garbage at me from all directions.
Sound had more meaning when I was able to perceive it. At times I actually
caught and understood a few phrases of conversation that was going on
around me. More often though, the wrong buttons in my brain must have been
pushed, because it sounded as if people were speaking random sylables
at me. The nearest I can come is 'Bill and Ben' floblle-obble-lop language
of a digital purity. I later confirmed that the snatches of conversation
I interpreted as English did in fact occur. One was probabaly J saying
something about choking, which was alarming becuase I felt as though
I was having trouble breathing at the time. Whatever brain processes that
are responsible for locating sound sources were also affected. Sound came
from random directions, and from inside my head. Suprisingly, volume
was not affected, other than for most of the time I was not able to
hear anything.
If I felt any emotion at all, it was detatched terror, and I was definately
sure that I wanted the experience to end. It was all the more frightening
because it seemed to be going on forever, and yet it was over in an instant.
My impression is that while LSD and more familiar pschadelics alter the
normal brain activity in some fasion or other, DMT works at a more
fundamental level that alters brain chemistry to such an extent that it
does not function as a thinking brain for a large part of the
time (well at least not for me). Imagine that the part of your brain
responsible for speech is connected to the part responsible for breathing,
and the coordination part to your ears, and visuals to bowels, and that sort
of thing -- completely differently arranged. The resulting state is
distinctly alien, and goes someway to explaining to me what the absolute
limits of psychosis must be before one actually ceases to be able to think.
After the instant/endless period of total crazinessi, normal cognitive reality
started to come back in waves. The visuals returned back to 'spring land';
I became aware that I was now laying there with head thrown back, legs spread
and mouth agape. People seemed to be asking me questions. I raised my head
a few times and then let it fall back again as reality waxed and waned.
For the next 5 minutes I gently returned to a shell-shocked state of
normality, accompanied by the now trivial pattern halucinations and
distortions in surfaces like carpet and walls.
J asked me just before the first toke if I were ready for the trip,
and I said that I was. Ha ha. He said 'Oh no you're not', and he
was definately right. Completely disregard this whole description because
it cant begin to describe the experience in anything but the most
vague terms.
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[s mathers] at [trl.oz.au]
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From: [h--tt--r] at [cs.utexas.edu] (John Eichenseer)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: DMT extraction
Date: 11 May 1994 13:19:35 -0500
>I am trying to extract DMT from Desmanthus illinoensis.
Ah, good luck, and do post your results...
> So, what do you think? Will this method work? Is there any
>better way that is easier (this is pretty easy) or more efficient?
In his book Pharmacotheon, Jonathan Ott mentions experiments in which
he extracted the alkaloids via boiling water. In fact, I think he may
have just strained hot water through the finely ground material, like
making coffee. He did this in order to mix it with an MAOI (harmala
seeds) for oral ingestion. I believe he goes into much more detail in
his latest book, Ayahuasca Analogs.
Can anybody comment on the viability of this technique? It does seem
even easier than the acid-base extracion, although of course it would
not yield the smokable freebase.
Just curious,
jhno
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From: [b--an--h] at [sc9.intel.com]
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: dmt experience
Date: 4 Jun 94 18:14:18 PDT
dmt --- isn't that an interesting memory!?
i had the good fortune of being turned on by someone that i trust
it taste like i was smoking plastic -- very strange
very quickly the trees outside began moving around wildly, as if
i could suddenly see some type of animism
things kinda melted -- i wasn't driving, had little control
as soon as i started to worry, it started to fade away, then was gone
(time for more)
there was something dark about it that bothered me a great deal,
mostly in a vague, can't put my finger on it way
i know this sounds funny, but it felt like i was tapping into the dark
side of the force (metaphor, not literal)
all in all a very interesting experience
not for the faint at heart
or those who fear being out of direct control
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Ok, hope it helped,
Meth.