Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: [an 18826] at [anon.penet.fi] Subject: How to legally obtain mescaline Message-ID: <[1993 Apr 22 171830 333] at [fuug.fi]> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:02:16 GMT "The scientific discovery of mescaline and related molecules in cacti other than peyote began in 1945 with the first report that the San Pedro cactus (Trichocerus pachanoi) was used in rituals by the Indians of Andean Ecuador. These shamanic practices were quite similar to rituals developed in Mexico for peyote. By 1950, it was established that mescaline constitutes about 1-2 percent of the San Pedro cactus when dried, about 0.12 percent of the fresh plant." "The San Pedro cactus in the fresh form has about 0.01 percent mescaline, which is a fairly typical percentage for nine of the ten Trichoceri known to contain mescaline. Trichocerus peruvianus, however, is at least ten times as potent as the others. This branching, candelabra type of cactus, originally collected in Peru, has a mescaline content equal or superior to that in peyote." -- Psychedelics Encyclopedia 3rd Edition by Peter Stafford "Trichocereus spp of Ethnopharmacologic Interest: Each of these hardy Trichocereus species are excellent as grafting stock for smaller, slower, low-growing cacti. These are also the 'best' types in terms of their known properties for ethnopharmacological specimen collectors. Trichocereus are the fastest growing cacti, very easy from seed. Within 12-18 months quantities of vigorous stock can be raised to sizes which are the equivalent of beginning by vegetative cuttings, but in far less space and at considerable savings. Researchers should note that genetic variation between seedling individuals will give rise to interesting new characteristics (i.e. rate of growth, hardiness, bioactivity) unobtainable from cloned populations or cuttings. T. pachanoi (very rapid, hardy, columnar) T. peruvianus (very fast, huge, columnar) T. peruvianus var trujilloensis (new variety!) select one of above Trichocereus seeds ... 100 for $5" "Trichocereus pachanoi 'San Pedro Cactus' San Pedro is a large columnar cactus of unusually rapid growth (12-18"/year) and is tolerant of a broad range of conditions. It is especially popular as a specimen because of its near lack of spines and its lovely, hypnotic, huge 10" night-blooming flowers which fill the air with their heavenly, quite unforgettable fragrance. Prefers rich, drained composted soil, abundant watering and full sun. Tolerant of frost. Does well indoors in pots. Easy to cultivate. We generally ship this hardy species year-round. Healthy, well-rooted 6"-10" specimens in vigorous growth. $15 per plant" -- ...of the jungle 1993 Catalog Write: ...of the jungle P.O. Box 1801 Sebastopol, CA 95473 Postage & Handling Rates: For orders up to $15 add $3.50 orders $16-$50 add $5.00 orders $51-$99 add $8.00 orders over $100 add $10.00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to [h--p] at [anon.penet.fi.] Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to [a--m--n] at [anon.penet.fi.] *IMPORTANT server security update*, mail to [u--da--e] at [anon.penet.fi] for details. ============================================================================= Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: [g--a--l] at [netcom.com] (Rick Graul) Subject: Re: Cacti.. Message-ID: <[graulCKB 74 s GAu] at [netcom.com]> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 22:14:51 GMT [quoted articles deleted -cak] San Pedro is not illegal to possess in the U.S. It would be illegal to try to extract mescaline from San Pedro, or even just to attempt to eat the San Pedro for a mescaline effect. If you get caught with San Pedro in a baggie, etc, you're probably busted. If one lived in a place where it was legal to eat and if one were so inclined to eat it, it would require about 6" worth of the green outer layer (don't eat the center woody pithe). Sometimes a tea is made from it. None of it tastes good. It is a fast grower, growing up to 18" per year. If you happen to live in the SF Bay Area, you can also buy San Pedro in Hayward from Dave Brown of Cactus King (510)-537-5096. Or, you can mail order San Pedro from "of the jungle" in Sebastapol. I'm sure all this is in a faq somewhere . . . -- Rick Graul [g--a--l] at [netcom.com] ============================================================================= Newsgroups: alt.drugs From: [d--h] at [netcom.com] (David Ashley) Subject: San Pedro Message-ID: <[dashCKBu 8 E L D H] at [netcom.com]> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 06:33:50 GMT When I was in southern Ecuador I tried San Pedro twice. The first time I bought some from a guy in Vilcabamba and it cost a few dollars. The stuff was pretty weak, and I made the mistake of eating afterwards so the effects were minor. There was a minor feeling of giddiness, I had this feeling like I could talk to animals in the area (pigs for example), and the walpaper in my room sort of undulated slowly. Then later I met a guy who was an American living down there and he used to make the juice from the cactus, and he gave me some of his batch. The stuff was much more powerful. I was hallucinating for almost a whole day. There was this weird feeling of comprehension--like a mole that I had remembered on someone's arm explaining why the wallpaper patterns were the way they were. It was a feeling like "It's all so trivial--everything makes sense!" In a neighboring room someone was watching TV, and every once in a while a commercial would come on that played the FLintstones theme music. This induced all sorts of early memories and feelings. Although I tried to go to sleep I wasn't able to--my mind just kept running. Sounds were sort of coming up and down, like you're slowly changing the volume of a TV. Also when I walked around my perception seemed to be a collection of still images--like there'd be a flash of my surroundings, then the next image I'd have moved a few feet. I talked to some friends that I had met and they said my sentences each alone made sense but they had no relation to each other. I can remember trying to express what I was experiencing and just drifting off and just letting it soak in. I had vivid memories of my childhood that I hadn't recalled I suppose since they happened. From time to time I would experience a memory of a friend from the states saying the phrase "can't be bothered" in a sort of English accent. It was a very interesting experience. Visually things were shimmering, rotating, morphing, changing colors, changing shapes, etc, etc. I think I sort of bracketed the optimum dose--first time I took too little and next time too much. San Pedro is this big cactus that grows all over the place in Southern Ecuador. You cut it up into pieces and boil it for like 18 hours, while frequently squeezing out the liquid in the cactus. Eventually you're left with a thin green liquid. It really is disgusting. Most people drink a bit then puke it back up. I was able to hold it down...perhaps that's why the effect lasted so long. What's really amazing is that even though the mind is experiencing things in some completely alien way, it all gets recorded so you remember the feeling. -- David Ashley [d--h] at [netcom.com] ============================================================================= From: [b--li--s] at [m-net.arbornet.org] (Robin Billings) Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Re: T. Peruvians Date: 7 Jul 1994 06:56:00 GMT Message-ID: <2vg8u0$[5 bi] at [zip.eecs.umich.edu]> Regarding the relative concentrations of alkaloids in Trichocereus pachanoi and Trichocereus peruvianus: 1) Crosby, D.M. & McLaughlin, J.L. (1973). Cactus alkaloids. XIX. Crystallization of Mescaline HCL and 3-Methoxytyramine HCL from Trichocereus pachanoi. Lloydia, VOl 36, No. 4. 2) Pardanani, J.H., McLaughlin, J.L., Kondrat, R.W., & Cooks, R.G. (1977). Cactus Alkaloids. XXXVI. Mescaline and Related Compounds from Trichocereus peruvianus. Lloydia, Vol 40., No. 6, pp. 585-590. In the former article, a concentration of 0.331% mescaline base was obtained from freeze-dried Trichocereus pachanoi. Note that the sulfate salt has a heavier weight and requires 300-500 mg for a full dose; the hydrochloride salt is less heavy and requires 225-375 mg for a full dose; the free base requires 205-343 mg for a full dose. Thus, a full dose of the cactus would be 57-96 grams, dry weight. In the latter article, a concentration of 0.82% mescaline base was obtained. Thus, Trichocereus peruvianus analyzed by these authors was somewhat less than three times as potent as the T. pachanoi. The effective dose of T. peruvianus would thus be 25-42 grams of the dried cactus. Hope that information is helpful. ============================================================================= From: [p--a--e] at [news.gate.net] (Unknown*) Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives Subject: Re: San Pedro Cactus seeds? Date: 18 Jun 1994 13:59:17 -0400 Message-ID: <2tvcll$[oh 6] at [inca.gate.net]> Yesterday I has a San Pedro cactus experience, and I'd just like to type up a quick post for those of you who are wondering about trying San Pedro. A friend of mine ordered 50 dried grams of San Pedro cactus from JLF poisonous non-consumables. He boiled it in 6 cups of water for about 3 hours, and when the liquid was brown, murky and extremely bitter-soap tasting, he stopped. He strained out the cactus solids, and divided the remaining liquid into two glasses, and cooled it in the frige untill it was drinkable. Due to the extreme bitter taste, he added orange juice to each large glass, but it did little to cover the taste. I am not exagerating when I say it tasted as if i was drinking pure liquid dish-soap. We both drank it slowly over about 30 mins, and when i wAS finished drinking that foul, basic liquid..it felt almost identical as if i had consumed 2 alcoholic drinks. This light intoxication lasted approx. 2 hours, when we both began to feel the mescalines effects come on. *There was no sickness or vomiting* For the next 10 hours, we had a rather weak, but pleasant mescaline trip. It felt like a very long time to come on, compared with LSD or psilocybin, but it was soon unmistakibly mescaline. The intensity of the experience was weak, roughly comparable to ~40ug of LSD. It faded away about 9 hours after the efects were first felt, it completely faded to baseline. If i were to to it again, and prepare the cactus myself...I would boil it for at least 6 hours, and i would would drink the solution from all 50 dried grams of cactus...i would not share it with a friend. It's intresting to try once, but not really worth the time, effort and expense compared to more potent and available psychedelics, IMHO. later, [p--a--e] at [inca.gate.net]