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From: [c k lausme] at [jarthur.claremont.edu] (Chris Klausmeier)
Subject: 2CB was Re: Some wierd new drugs
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 01:14:18 GMT

In article <[1993 Jul 5 230145 6008] at [linus.mitre.org]> [l--w--s] at [aera8700.mitre.org] (Keith Lewis) writes:
# In article <[C 9 J 1 uG BME] at [sdf.lonestar.org]>, [r--id--r] at [sdf.lonestar.org] (Ron Lidor) writes:
# 
# >	5) 2cb
# 
# A multi-day psychedelic.  See "Jacob's Ladder".

According to Shulgin's PiHKAL, the duration of 2C-B is only 4-8 hours.  You
might be confusing 2C-B with DOM or DOB, which have longer effects.  DOM
(aka STP) is often thought of as a long lasting psychedelic because it is,
and because when it was first distributed, the doses given were large and
the time it takes for the effects to kick in is long, leading to double or
triple dosing by people who thought they had been shortchanged.

Here is the PiHKAL entry for 2C-B.

-- Chris Klausmeier ([c k lausme] at [jarthur.claremont.edu])

#20 2C-B; 4-BROMO-2,5-DIMETHOXYPHENETHYLAMINE

SYNTHESIS: [deleted from brevity]

DOSAGE: 12 - 24 mg.

DURATION: 4 - 8 h.

QUALITATIVE COMMENTS: (with 16 mg) A day at the Stanford museum.
Things were visually rich, yet I felt that I was reasonably
inconspicuous.  The Rodin sculptures were very personal and not
terribly subtle.  I saw Escher things in the ceiling design, when I
decided to sit in a foyer somewhere and simply pretend to rest.
Walking back, the displays seen in the bark of the eucalyptus trees,
and the torment and fear (of others? of themselves?) in the faces of
those who were walking towards us, were as dramatic as anything I had
seen in the art galleries.  Our appetites were enormous, and we went
to a smorgasbord that evening.  A rich experience in every possible
way.

(with 20 mg) The drug effect first became known to me as a shift of
colors toward golden and rose tones.  Pigments in the room became
intensified.  Shapes became rounder, more organic.  A sensation of
lightness and rivulets of warmth began seeping through my body.
Bright lights began pulsing and flashing behind my closed lids.  I
began to perceive waves of energy flowing through all of us in unison.
I saw all of us as a gridwork of electrical energy beings, nodes on a
bright, pulsating network of light.  Then the interior landscape
shifted into broader scenes.  Daliesque vistas were patterned with
eyes of Horus, brocades of geometric design began shifting and
changing through radiant patterns of light.  It was an artist's
paradise Q representing virtually the full pantheon of the history of
art.

(with 20 mg) The room was cool, and for the first hour I felt cold
and chilled.  That was the only mildly unpleasant part.  We had been
hanging crystals earlier that day, and the visions I had were
dominated by prismatic light patterns.  It was almost as if I became
the light.  I saw kaleidoscopic forms -- similar to, but less intense
than, when on acid -- and organic forms like Georgia OUKeefe flowers,
blossoming and undulating.  My body was flooded with orgasms --
practically from just breathing.  The lovemaking was phenomenal,
passionate, ecstatic, lyric, animal, loving, tender, sublime.  The
music was voluptuous, almost three-dimensional.  Sometimes the sound
seemed distorted to me, underwater like.  This was especially so for
the less good recordings -- but I could choose to concentrate on the
beauty of the music or the inadequacy of the sound's quality, and
mostly chose to concentrate on the beauty.

(with 24 mg) I am totally into my body.  I am aware of every muscle
and nerve in my body.  The night is extraordinary -- moon full.
Unbelievably erotic, quiet and exquisite, almost unbearable.  I cannot
begin to unravel the imagery that imposes itself during the finding of
an orgasm.  Trying to understand physical/spiritual merging in nature
-- .

EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY: Four quotations were chosen arbitrarily
from literally hundreds that have worked their ways into the files.
The vast majority are positive, ranging from the colorful to the
ecstatic.  But not all are.  There are people who choose not to go
into the corporeal but, rather, prefer the out-of-body experience.
They express discomfort with 2C-B, and seem to lean more to the
Ketamine form of altered state, one which dissociates body from mind.

There have been reports of several overdoses that prove the intrinsic
safety of this compound.  Prove is used here in the classic British
sense; i.e., to challenge.  "The proof of the pudding is in the
eating," is not a verification of quality, but an inquiry into the
quality itself.  (The French simplify all this by using two separate
verbs for prove.)  One overdose was intentional, the other accidental.

(with 64 mg) "I found only mild visual and emotional effects at the 20
milligram dose, so I took the remaining 44 milligrams.  I was
propelled into something not of my choosing.  Everything that was
alive was completely fearsome.  I could look at a picture of a bush,
and it was just that, a picture, and it posed no threat to me.  Then
my gaze moved to the right, and caught a bush growing outside the
window, and I was petrified.  A life-form I could not understand, and
thus could not control.  And I felt that my own life-form was not a
bit more controllable." This was from the comments of a physician who
assured me that he saw no neurological concerns during this dramatic
and frightening experience.

(with 100 mg) I had weighed correctly.  I had simply picked up the
wrong vial.  And my death was to be a consequence of a totally stupid
mistake.  I wanted to walk outside, but there was a swimming pool
there and I didnUt dare fall into it.  A person may believe that he
has prepared himself for his own death, but when the moment comes, he
is completely alone, and totally unprepared.  Why now?  Why me?  Two
hours later, I knew that I would live after all, and the experience
became really marvelous.  But the moment of facing death is a unique
experience.  In my case, I will some day meet it again, and I fear
that I will be no more comfortable with it then than I was just now.
This was from the comments of a psychologist who will, without doubt,
use psychedelics again in the future, as a probe into the unknown.

Many of the reports that have come in over the years have mentioned
the combination of MDMA and 2C-B.  The most successful reports have
followed a program in which the two drugs are not used at the same
time, nor even too closely spaced.  It appears that the optimum time
for the 2C-B is at, or just before, the final baseline recovery of the
MDMA.  It is as if the mental and emotional discoveries can be
mobilized, and something done about them.  This combination has
several enthusiastic advocates in the psychotherapy world, and should
be the basis of careful research when these materials become legal,
and accepted by the medical community.

A generalized spectrum of 2C-B action can be gleaned from the many
reports that have been written describing its effects.  (1) There is a
steep dose response curve.  Over the 12 to 24 milligram range, every 2
milligrams can make a profound increase or change of response.
Initially, one should go lightly, and increase the dosage in
subsequent trials by small increments.  A commonly used term for a
level that produces a just perceptible effect is Rmuseum level.S This
is a slightly-over-threshold level which allows public activities
(such as viewing paintings in a museum or scenery watching as a
passenger in a car) to be entered into without attracting attention.
There can be considerable discomfort associated with being in the
public eye, with higher doses.  (2) The 2C-B experience is one of the
shortest of any major psychedelic drug.  Wherever you might be, hang
on.  In an hour or so you will be approaching familiar territory
again.  (3) If there is anything ever found to be an effective
aphrodisiac, it will probably be patterned after 2C-B in structure.

[Discussion of related compounds deleted]