Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.guns
From: [j g d] at [dixie.com] (John De Armond)
Subject: Citizens vs the Army (was Re: How can Jews )
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 94 07:19:45 GMT

[S--S--N] at [ibm.mtsac.edu] writes:

>   If a government WANTS to commit genocide, are a bunch of armed citizens
>going to be any match for a trained army?  Sure, they are better able to
>fight back with weapons, but can you fathom them actually winning?

Of course.  Not only do I fathom it, I KNOW my side will win.  You seem
to think that a confrontation between "the army" and the population
would be some sort of old english-style siege battle AND you seem
to think that when the shooting starts, "The army" will remain
a monolithic, cohesive entity.  Both are false.  Consider:

*	The government will not have an identifiable enemy.  The patriot
	army will not be wearing nice easily identifiable uniforms.  If it
	decides to start slaughtering the population, it has already
	lost..

*	In a guerilla war, the guerillas get to set the agenda, choose
	the target and control the timing.  With very rare exceptions,
	the government forces can do little more than react.  This is
	a lesson we learned at high cost in Viet Nam and the Soviets
	learned at an equally high cost in Afghanistan.  

*	In a guerilla war, the guerillas are not constrained by tradition,
	seige mentality, chain-of-command, bureaucracy or any of the other
	things that tends to militate against rapid US miliatary response.

*	When the second revolution starts and the establishment tries to 
	get the military to fire on citizens, some proportion of the 
	military will defect to the patriot side and will bring their
	armaments with them. 

*	Any patriot who has done anything more than just run his mouth
	about defending this country against its government realizes
	that the civilian firearms we now own are simply "guns to get
	guns with", as a friend once put it.  He will know what 
	government-owned weapons are located where.  I know, for example,
	that I can acquire a fully automatic M-16 and lots of ammo
	simply by taking down a state cop and opening the trunk of his
	car.  I also know people in the national guard who would 
	open the doors of the armories and hand out the weapons to 
	the patriots when the time comes.

*	Any patriot who has studied tactics and history knows that one
	does not have to defeat a government's military in order to
	win.  One only has to sow sufficient discontent with the people
	while beheading the government monster by killing the leaders.
	Those same smart bombs which flew down those ventillation hatches
	in Iraq would, when launched from a patriot-piloted bomber,
	fly through the capital dome, through the front door of the 
	White House and into the Pentagon.

For those reasons and many more, I KNOW a patriot revolution would
succeed. And until such a general revolution comes to pass,
the very high probability that any given house in this country
contains firearms and an owner who knows how to use them raises
the risk to the degree that the middle-of-the-night gestapo-like
raids by ninja-clad thugs of the government will remain rare.
They would become even rarer if neighborhoods organized into militias
and defended their neighbors against the thugs.  

>   The true enemy of the modern populace has nothing whatever to do with guns
>or a threatening militant government.  The enemy today in the U.S. is ignorance
>and apathy.  

Can't disagree here.

>50% of our adult population is BARELY literate.  More than 35
>million people are living on or below poverty.  Our youth is detached, isolated
>and alienated from society to a larger degree than ever before.  

All of this, of course, a direct result of the federal government's
wholesale overthrow of the Constitution in its persuit of power.
Equally guilty are the people who have been willing to trade their 
birthright, freedom, for a little false security, the ability to
force others to conform to notion of "right" and for a government handout.
These have been the traditional downfalls of other great societies in
history but who would know, considering the government brainwashing 
that now passes for education?

>Guns and fear
>of an internal enemy is hardly our problem and it is misleading to project the
>gun issue onto it. Self-protection has become a very poor reasoning to veto
>a gun ban.  The issue is gun violence, and whether it is beyond our control.

The issue is neither about guns nor violence.  The issue is about a
corrupt, blantantly unconstitutional government and the total disregard
for law and civilization it has bred.  Trying to fix this systematic
problem by singling out a minor instrumentality is like the proverbial
thumb in the dike.  The wrong dike, I might add.

John

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