Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,talk.religion.misc,alt.activism
From: [b 645 zaw] at [utarlg.uta.edu] (stephen)
Subject:  Government Harassment  //  re: Livingstone Charged
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1993 06:19:00 GMT


Here's an update.

Livingstone called me tonite, and let me know that the hearing
continues monday. Seems the Judge hasn't bought the STORY that
"someone (un-named) supposedly saw LF with a gun shooting at 
BATF troops from what used to be the Mt. Carmel center tower," 
(which is now the basic accusation being levied by the govern-
ment prosecutors -- 4 months after jailing him as a witness).


So he's definitely at McLennan County Jail through Monday.


It reminds me of when they charged the 77 and 75 year old ladies
who came out of Mt. Carmel with conspiracy, later dropped.


Is this part of what federal prosecutors are paid to do -- harassment???

If so, it sure explains why some lawyers are such a pain in the ass, 
along with bill collectors, and some lobbyists and activists. 


Considering the floodlights and noriega-noise type psy-ops used on 
all the Davidians, I wonder how much harassment the "negotiators" 
heaped on Koresh and Schneider through the phone??


And while I can stand Gays using "In Your Face Tactics," Operation
Rescue "Publicity Stunts," the Klan "Burning Crosses," and even war
protestors "Burning the Flag" (in the interest of freedom of speech),
I think the IRS, BATF, FBI, or even the local police using the same
methods against civilians -- in the paid performance of their duties 
-- is pure BULL SHIT! Especially, when it goes on to physical methods
such as being confined, or constraining access.


From the beginning, Waco has been an exercise in Government Harassment
-- against folks on the fringe. Which would all unravel if the larger 
public realized that anyone who's not "pro-government" is on the fringe
-- in the eyes of the feds.


The big problem is that harassment is risky, and when mistakes are made, 
harassment too easily becomes persecution, injury, or manslaughter. And
were it not that some people are justed twisted or wicked -- which is why
we have law-enforcement anyway -- I'd be ready to believe Waco was just 
a mistake. 

But there are good people everywhere, and evil -- even in government.


Harassment is bad enough, but if crimes were committed by the BATF, FBI,
or even the Justice Department -- who would bring justice now??


   |
-- J --       "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape 
   |           the damnation of hell? (Jesus, Matthew 23:33, note context)
   | stephen