Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism From: [b 645 zaw] at [utarlg.uta.edu] (stephen) Subject: The Faith of Mt Carmel // re: Jail Mail from Livingstone Fagan Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1993 20:20:00 GMT [Text of Livingstone Fagan's enclosure in mail to me on 7-13-93 -- Sdt] Since leaving Mt Carmel my most difficult task has been to communicate the position of faith in which I stand. A task David tried so hard to accomplish. This has been overshadowed by concern with the material facts and the bizarre media reporting of Mt Carmel. Ironically a proper understanding of the facts of Mt Carmel is not possible outside an appreciation of the faith we hold. This problem is made further difficult because of a large class of seemingly prejudiced and surprisingly superficial minds. Not to mention fear, and those with vested interest in not knowing the truth. On the face of it, all of this adds up to a difficult and frustrating situation. But not really. I know that deep in the heart of all who witnessed Mt Carmel the flames are still burning. The memory of those consumed lives on. To those of you who seek to know the truth I will try to meet your sincerity. To appropriate our position of faith it is necessary to understand the conceptual frame of reference in which we operate. I have learnt, that this cannot be assumed. The problem therefore rest with bridging our conceptual differences. Let me say once this is accomplished the logic and simplicity of our faith will be seen in its true beauty. The human sensory perceptors are extremely crude as mediums of information gathering. They are limited in space and time, and subject to manipulation. It therefore follows that information derived from the senses must be subject to scrutiny if wrong judgement is to be avoided. This problem is made even more difficult where minds are corrupted by particular prejudices. It is also important to note, that the primary purpose of the senses is to facilitate consciousness of the physical, as opposed to the spiritual, environment we humans operate in. The foundation of our position of faith lies in the domain of the spiritual, albeit with a physical manifestation. This is the subject matter of The Book Sealed with Seven Seals. It brings to view the hitherto un-manifest divine Will. Conceptually this is outside of the frame of references mankind presently operates in. It is perceivable only by the divine process described as the `quickening.' Please see (KJV) John 5:21, 6:63 Ps. 119:37, 40, 50, 149 Eph. 2:1-5 1 and Cor. 15:45. It is from a position of experiencing this process that I speak. We are recipients of the righteousness which comes not by the will and action of man, but of the will and action of God. The human will surrendering to a progressive revelation of the divine will quickens (empowers) man to become a partaker of the divine nature (2 Pet. 1:1-4). Salvation is simply being saved from human nature, which leads to death. Mankind cannot save himself. Any act on his part flows from his corrupt human nature. His only option is to trust God to do it for him. This, God is faithful and just to do. Do not however expect it to be done according to the perceptions and judgements of man. Very briefly, the knowledge of the Will of God empowering man to be a partaker of the divine nature was not given 2,000 years ago. In rejecting Christ, that knowledge was also rejected. The human race has continued hitherto on the basis of Christ's forgiveness (Luke 23:34). That knowledge which is the Spirit of Christ was, at the Cross, commended into the hand of the Father (Luke 23:46, see also John 6:63, 5:24 and 1 Cor. 2:9-14). In the book of Revelation the apostle John is invited to heaven to behold the Judgement of the end of time (Rev. 4 ff). In Rev. 5, in the right hand of the One [who] sat on the throne is a book sealed with seven seals. This book contains that Spirit, Christ commended into the hand of the Father, in written form. Among other things, the seals reveal the event of Christ's return, just prior to his glorious manifestation (Rev. 1:1, 22:12, cf John 16:12-14). This is in contrast to the mistaken belief that the Seals reveal the history of the Church to the end of time. Through a knowledge of the Seals, the human agent is made able to comprehend the incomprehensible -- God in the flesh! David Koresh showed us the Seals. That which is not lawful for a man to do. In killing Him the details of that knowledge was once again rejected. But not without Witnesses. Moreover, on this occasion the knowledge concerning the Seven Seals being the subject matter of the Judgement, is made available to man. This is extremely serious. The human race can no longer hide under the Law of Forgiveness for his ignorance (Luke 23:34). The Judgement of this World is in process. The next phase is the execution of that Judgement. This has dire consequences for the wicked. It does not end there. Christ's glorious manifestation will not be immediately all consuming. In the establishment of His kingdom on the earth, those deprived of the choice for truth will be afforded opportunity. (Dan. 2:44 Isa. 2:2-4 Zech. 8:20-23, 14 Mic. 4:1-3) Ours is not a Theory of Religion. We lived it, and also died for it. Spirit and Truth have met, and are joined in each other. --- < end forwarded text > -- To respond, send postal mail to: Livingstone Fagan Coryell County Jail 510 Leon St. Gatesville, Tx. 76528 | -- J -- The Word is The Bridegroom and The Comforter is The Bride. | | stephen (John 15 & 16, 1st John 4 & 5, Revelation 19 - 21)