From: [k--v--n] at [axon.cs.byu.edu] (Kevin Vanhorn)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,misc.legal,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.org.batf
Subject: Re: Ted Watch (Week 4)
Date: 12 Jan 94 12:53:43

[a--o--n] at [unix.amherst.edu] (Adam Bonin) writes:

>Let me get this straight: are you saying that they just walked up and started
>throwing grenades, without first asking to enter, without announcing their
>presence, just *BOOM* Surprise!  Where's evidence to back up this claim for
>the chain of events?

AP news reports on the day of the raid.  To quote:

"Witnesses said the law officers stormed the compound's main
home, throwing concussion grenades and screaming `Come out,'
while three National Guard helicopters approached.  For a moment,
there was no response.  Then the shooting began."

This appeared in the Knoxville News-Sentinal Final Edition Monday,
March 1, 1993, with an Associated Press by-line.

Note also that ATF agents told the Houston Post that before
the raid they had practiced to where it took 7 seconds to get out
of their tarp-covered cattle trailers and 12 seconds to get to
the front door.  It is absurd to imagine that after such a mad
dash to the door, the ATF agents intended to stop, knock, calmly
state their legal authority and purpose, demand entry, and wait
for a response, all before taking further action (as required by law.)

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