Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 23:15:19 -0400
Reply-To: [n--b--n] at [Mainstream.net]
From: [p--t--n] at [utdallas.edu]
Subject: RE: Jack booted thugs


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Date: Thu, 2 May 96 12:18:17 -0500
From: David L. Goad <[d--o--d] at [mo.net]>
Subject: RE: Jack booted thugs

Folks,

ATF is at it again...

This Tuesday night at about 9:30 pm in St. Charles county, Missouri, a 
group of 14 county/fed goons led by an ATF twit raided a suburban 
household of 4; two mid-thirties parents, and  6 and 2 year old children. 
 They kicked in the back door, threatened to kill the dog, tied up the 
husband on the floor with a gun at his head and generally trashed the 
house searching for weapons.  They did not even produce a warrant for 
over an hour.  The couple thought they had been invaded by burglars, and 
expected to die.  The screams of "ATF!" by the goons did not mean 
anything to the couple.

After an hour & a half, not finding what they were looking for they just 
left, no apologies, nothing.

It appears that an ATF informant was making the whole thing up.  He told 
the ATF that he had been to this house many times, and that a large stash 
of machine guns were there as part of a large gun running operation.  The 
local police, upon checking the county records told the informant that 
the owners name did not match the name of the so-called "gun-runner" he 
was informing on.  His response was that the guy must be a guest of the 
homeowners.

On this basis a judge authorized the search warrant.  Well, so much for 
the necessity of a sworn statement by a trustworthy individual.

The ATF "official" has indicated that he will apologize at some point.

A few (to me) frustrating points;

1.  The local cops took the trouble to (partially) check up on what the 
informant was telling them, and when conflicting data was obtained, 
decided to trust the informant over records showing a typical law abiding 
family.  When will local judges start to give their local residents the 
benefit of the doubt over paid informants?

2.  As usual, rather than knocking on the front door in the daytime, 
serving the warrant, and peacefully checking out the residence, they 
kicked in the door, and threatened the family.  Equally as usual they 
apparently found an extremist, right wing, terrorist dog and wanted to 
kill it.

3.  Rather than admit the screw up on the spot, the ATF MAY be pressured 
into an apology.


Oh well, just another day in paradise.


-dave

>From [d--o--d] at [mo.netThu] May  2 13:46:58 1996
Date: Thu, 2 May 96 13:40:22 -0500
From: "David L. Goad" <[d--o--d] at [mo.net]>
To: Paul Watson <[p--t--n] at [utdallas.edu]>
Subject: RE: Jack booted thugs

Paul,

I just fired an update to ACT.  If you don't get it from the list, I'll 
send you a copy.  I found the web address for the paper, the story was 
there, and I forwarded it to the list.

I also talked to Patty Mueller for a few minutes.  She is devastated by 
what happened.  She did not seem surprised when I told her that her 
experience was unfortunately not altogether uncommon.  I left her my 
phone number, and told her that if she wanted any information on other 
ATF atrocities to give me a call.  That was as far as I pressed the 
matter; she really seemed bewildered.  The purpose of my call to her was 
to verify the reporting by the newspaper.

-dave