From: [s--o--a] at [oak.circa.ufl.edu] Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns Subject: The Sound of a Pump Shotgun revisited and other issues. Date: 1 Nov 1995 19:40:14 GMT A few months ago there was a controversy over whether the sound of a pump shotgun was a real advantage in a confrontation. I entered into the fray with my opinions. I took the middle position that one would never want to rely on the sound of a pump gun being racked but that it could very well be helpful in a number of situations. One reader stated that he believed that this was just public myth and challenged anyone to post a real life example of this happening. All I could offer at the time was an example from my youth of the closing of a bolt on an autoloading rifle (less distinct than the sound of a shotgun) causing a prowler to flee. I choose a 12 Ga. Pump gun for my house gun for a number of reasons. I explained that it offered an additional level of security in the event that my girlfriend's daughter got a hold of it as it would be difficult for a 9 year-old to rack it and chamber it yet alone handle the weight of such a gun. I never stated that this was my only level of protection. I have taken a number of other precautions with the child including firearms safety lessons and range experiance to demistify guns and instill respect for their potential to be misused as well as a lock on the master bedroom door and suspending the gun on hooks from the closet ceiling. One individual misunderstood me and chastised and mocked my post. We have since sorted this out in private e-mail and it turns out that he chose an H&K squeeze-cocking gun for just that reason. Like myself, he has a few layers of security making it unlikely that his children will never come in contact with the gun, but choose a gun that would be difficult for a child to operate in the event that everything else went wrong. However, this issue of the effect of the noise of a pump shotgun became very real very recently in my household. My girlfriend was home alone one recent evening (I was working late and her daughter was with her grandparents) when she was startled by some noise in the back yard. She went to the window and observed large white or hispanic male (muscular and well over 6 feet tall) attempting to force the lock on our storage shed. She retrieved the shotgun, chambered it and proceded to the back yard where she confronted the individual. For some strange reason, he seemed totally unfazed by the sight of a woman with a 12 gauge shotgun and proceded to ask her directions to the house of some fictional individual although it was obvious he was attempting to rob us and had to jump our fence to be where he was. She asked him to leave and shouldered the shotgun pointing it at the center of his chest. He began to walk towards her. She stepped back to keep a comfortable distance and shined the laser on him. He continued walking towards her. At this point she racked the gun again throwing a fresh shell onto the ground and the man turned in panic and ran, jumping over the fence. This man's actions really made no sense at all unless we assume that he was convinced that the gun was unloaded. Of the two ways she could have shown him that the gun was loaded, the one she chose definitely worked out for the best for all concerned. She was within her rights to exhibit the gun in lawful defense of property. She also knows that she could have only discharged the weapon if he had charged or cornered her. There are some parallels to another incident in which she actually had to shoot two intruders after they laughed at her drawing a gun and proceeded to advance. The only source of light was an appartment hallway light shining throught the door they had busted down. One turned away but it was not to leave. He closed the only door to the aparment behind him so that they could do what they had come to do without interruption. They continuted to advance saying "the bitch doesn't have the guts to shoot" and she let them have it. Aiming by voice (and screams) alone in the pitch darkness, she emptied the magazine of her .380. Every shot found it's mark though she was a bit low. One lost a femoral artery, the other his knee. One fled the appartment, the other was bleeding to death. She called the police and than performed first-aid on the bleeding man, saving his life. (He thanked her by suing her . . but lost.) She did not know these men and they did not know her . . . it is unlikely that they even knew what appartment they broke into. However, by coincidence, they were cousins of her boyfriend at that time. The caused a great deal of suspicion amoung the police and she was charged in the shooting. Fortunately, a judge threw out the charges. Both get around by rolling today making it unlikely that they have persisted in their criminal ways. She was traumatised for a while and even questioned her moral right to defend herself, claiming that she should have let them do what ever they wanted with her. This is an understandable reaction, but she is now over it. She has faced similar situations several times since, but they usually ended with the simple presentation of a gun. The most frightening incident happened a few months ago. I believe that my forsight of keeping a backup gun in the van may have saved her life. Florida law allows an unlicenced individual to keep a loaded gun in a car if it is: 1. In a closed container (purse, gun case, holsters with a cover, and others have all stood up as containers in court). and 2. "not as readily available to the driver as if it were on his own person" The courts have ruled that the glove box, center console, and other storage compartments within close reach of the driver to be ok. However if every driver who has access to the vehicle has a concealed weapon permit, this point is probably moot. I discovered a space in the steering wheel under the horn assembly which is held on by snaps. My vehicle was made shortly before airbags were available for that model which might explain the space. It was large enough for a .22 magnum 5-shot mini revolver. With the removal of a small amount of material, it may be large enought for a .38 special Airweight. This is definately a closed container, it is no closer to the driver than a console between the seats, and we both have permits anyway. One day she was driving to visit a friend and stopped at a gas station on a busy well-lit street in the middle of town to call her friend for directions. A heavy set 6'2" or so shabbily dressed man was loitering by the phones and giving her very strange looks. She decited to go on instinct and returned quickly to the van to get away from this man. However he rushed her from behind as she was entering the van. He slammed the door on her body pinning her half in the car. Her right leg and arm were in the car and her left leg and arm were caught outside the door. The window was down and he put his face to hers and wispered that "they were going for a little ride". She was stuck and could not reach her concealed carry weapon. At this point she panicked. Fortunately, she rememberd the gun under the horn cover and with her free hand pulled the cover off and retrieved the gun. As she pointed the gun at the man in this cramped situtaion, the muzzle inadvertantly went up his nose. He froze for a moment and looked crosseyed at the object in his nose. When he realized it was a gun he wimpered and proceded to loudly evacuate his bowels. This restored her confidence and she ordered him to leave her alone in a stern voice. Unfortunately the sight ramp was lodged tightly in his nose and she barely managed to hold onto the gun as he pulled away and ran off screaming. Though she is very proficient with her carry gun, she was not familiar with the single action operation of this gun and neglected to cock the hammer. The perpetrator has no idea just how lucky he is that the gun was not cocked when he was pulling it against her fingers. It would not have been a pretty sight. I since made sure that she put in some range time with this single action gun. Mike