From: [b--n--t] at [convex.com] (Paul Barnett) Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns Subject: Re: Origins of WELL REGULATED.. Date: 3 May 1995 15:09:14 -0500 [c l lake] at [freenet.columbus.oh.us] (Clint Lake) writes: >I thought I was able to defend the RKBA with the best of facts until I >heard a grabber define the term "well regulated" to suite his means. Upon >further reflection I realized I came of short of knowledge in this clause. > Please help me to determine the origin and defense of this portion of the >2nd Amend. Feel free to mail me on this one if the explanation is too >long. Thanks in advance. It really becomes clear if you consider the meaning of "well-regulated militia" at the time the Second Amendment was written. According to the 1971 Oxford English Dictionary: * Regulated b. Of troops: properly disciplined. Obs. rare. 1690 - London Gazette "We heard likewise that the French are in a great Allarm in Dauphine and Bresse, not having at present 1500 men of regulated troops on that side." Note that this usage is now considered obsolete. Also note the circa 1690 example. * Discipline Noun: 3.b. Training in the practice of arms and military evolutions; drill. Formerly, more widely, training or skill in military affairs generally; military skills and experience; the art of war. Verb: 1.b. To train in military exercises and prompt action in response to command; to drill. 1692 - "Orders were come from England to discipline the militia". 1792 - "A farmer... may be a good soldier if you take care to have him properly disciplined." The phrase "well-regulated" in the 2nd is indeed about shooting straight (and other military skills), and NOT about being under control of the government. * Militia Noun: 4.b. U.S. The whole body of men declared by law amenable to military service, without enlistment, whether armed and drilled or not. Paraphrasing "well-regulated militia" as "body of private citizens proficient with arms" is perfectly consistent with the usage of the time. It's also consistent with U.S. law. My continuing thanks to Reid Kneeland ([r--d] at [tti.com]) for the material from the OED. -- Paul Barnett Convex Computer Corp. MPP OS Development Richardson, TX