From: [c d t] at [sw.stratus.com] (C. D. Tavares) Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns Subject: Re: 70-to-1 Study on CNN Date: 11 Oct 1994 23:20:56 GMT In article <[1994 Oct 5 122012 3110] at [titan.ksc.nasa.gov]>, [n--d--n] at [titan.ksc.nasa.gov] (Ross Nordeen) wrote: > could someone help me locate the source of the recent 70-to-1 statistic that > got play on CNN recently? CNN reported that a new study showed that guns owned > by women were 70 times more likely to be used against the woman then to kill an > attacker. Yes, I know it's bogus, but I'd still like to find out if it was > published and where. No, it didn't say that. It didn't say that guns OWNED BY WOMEN are used against them. It just wanted you to THINK that that was what you heard. What it actually said is that 73 times as many women are killed with firearms (almost always a firearm owned by their attackers) than kill their attackers with firearms. This is a meaningless statistic, unless you also know: 1) the number of these women who carried firearms in the first place; 2) the number of them who stopped an attack without killing their attacker. This meaningless statistic is loudly ballyhooed by Michael Beard of the Conter to Prevent Handgun Violence (formerly, the Coalition to Ban Handguns). He knows why it's bogus. He's been told. But he still uses it, because he knows there are a lot of people who can be still be fooled with it. Here is the raw data, from another post. >He found that 4,993 women were homicide victims in 1992, of which 1,908 >were killed by handguns. >At the same time 45 women killed in self-defense, with 26 cases involving >handguns, the report found. Homicide Self-defense Ratio Handgun 1908 26 73:1 Non-handgun 3085 19 162:1 General 4993 45 111:1 Women are 73 times more likely to be killed with a handgun than to kill in self-defense with a handgun. In cases where no handgun was used, women are 163 times more likely to be killed than to kill in self-defense. In general, women are 111 times more likely to be killed than to kill in self-defense. The numbers support the idea that guns increase a woman's ability to defend herself. -- [c d t] at [rocket.sw.stratus.com] --If you believe that I speak for my company, write today for my special Investors' Packet...