From: [c z guris] at [ix.netcom.com] (Christopher Zguris)
To: [C--R--T] at [tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu]
Subject: Interesting crime stat's
This came from bodyguard-l, I _know_ we've been over gun-control, but I
thught this was worth forwarding.
Chris
>*******
>
>"Crime Control through the Private Use of
>Armed Force" by Professor Gary Kleck appeared in the 2/88 issue
>of *Social Problems*.
>
>The following chart is from the article:
>
>Attack, Injury and Crime Completion Rates in Robbery Incidents
>
>Method of % Completed % Attacked % Injured Num Times
>Self Protection Used(a)
>
>Used gun 30.9 25.2 17.4 89,009
>Used Knife 35.2 55.6 40.3 59,813
>Used other weapon 28.9 41.5 22.0 104,700
>Used physical force 50.1 75.6 50.8 1,653,880
>Tried to get help
>or frighten offender 63.9 73.5 48.9 1,516,141
>Threatened or reasoned
>with offender 53.7 48.1 30.7 955,398
>Nonviolent resistance,
>including evasion 50.8 54.7 34.9 1,539,895
>Other measures 48.5 47.3 26.5 284,423
>Any self-protection 52.1 60.8 38.2 4,603,671
>No self-protection 88.5 41.5 24.7 2,686,960
>
>Total 65.4 53.7 33.2 7,290,631
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Attack, Injury and Crime Completion Rates in Assault Incidents
>
>Method of % Attacked % Injured Estimated
>Self Protection Num Times Used(a)
>
>Used gun 23.2 12.1 386,083
>Used Knife 46.4 29.5 123,062
>Used other weapon 41.4 25.1 454,570
>Used physical force 82.8 52.1 6,638,823
>Tried to get help
>or frighten offender 55.2 40.1 4,383,117
>Threatened or reasoned
>with offender 40.0 24.7 5,743,008
>Nonviolent resistance,
>including evasion 40.0 25.5 8,935,738
>Other measures 36.1 20.7 1,451,103
>Any self-protection 49.5 30.7 21,801,957
>No self-protection 39.9 27.3 6,154,763
>
>Total 47.3 29.9 27,956,719
>
>Notes: (a) Separate frequencies these columns do add totals in "Any
>self-protection" row since a single criminal incident can involve more
>than self-protection method. Sources: Analysis of incident files of
>1979-1985 National Crime Survey public use computer tapes
>(ICPSR,1987b).
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>"Robbery and assault victims who used firearms for protection were
>less likely to be attacked or injured than victims who responded in
>any other manner. Only 17% of those using guns to resist attempted
>robbery and 12% using guns to resist assault suffered any kind of
>injuries. 25% of robbery victims and 27% of assault victims who did
>not resist were injured anyway."
>
>"...Dr. Kleck estimates annually, "gun-wielding civilians in self-
>defense or some other legally justified cause" kill between 1,500
>and 2,800 felons -- or 2 1/2 to seven times as many criminals as
>are shot dead by police."
>
>"Dr. Kleck estimates "there were about 8,700-16,600 non-fatal, legally
>permissible woundings of criminals by gun armed civilians" annually,
>and "the rest of the one million estimated defensive gun uses, over
>98% involved neither killings nor woundings but rather warning shots
>fired or guns pointed or referred to."
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 18:41:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: breinsav (TOMAHAWK-LIST-PROCESSOR)
To: noban
Subject: Fwd: No Subject (fwd)
Forwarded message:
Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 15:54:22 -0400
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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 15:54:22 -0400
To: [N--B--N] at [tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu]
Subject: Fwd: No Subject
Resent-From: [N--B--N] at [tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu]
Sorry for the unrelated bandwidth, but I thought somke of you might be
interested to see the response from NPR to my email on the gun ban story.
They narrowed right in on my area of concern, don't you think?
Jerry Wootan
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To: [JERRYSYS 21] at [aol.com]
Date: 95-04-19 14:59:59 EDT
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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 95 16:47:41 PST
From: [n--b--n] at [xpresso.seaslug.org] (Bill Vance)
To: [n--b--n] at [tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu]
Cc: [JERRYSYS 21] at [aol.com]
Subject: Re: Fwd: No Subject
In <[950419155416 88812547] at [aol.com]>, on Apr 19, [JERRYSYS 21] at [aol.com] wrote:
>Sorry for the unrelated bandwidth, but I thought somke of you might be
>interested to see the response from NPR to my email on the gun ban story.
> They narrowed right in on my area of concern, don't you think?
>
>Jerry Wootan
>---------------------
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Right! LETS BAN THOSE MOTHER STABBING, FATHER RAPING, CHILD MOLESTING,
DEADLY ASSAULT KUGELS!!!
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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 17:05:06 -0800 (PST)
From: [W--A--A] at [PLU.edu]
To: [N--B--N] at [tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu]
Subject: ATC
Here is what I sent ATC
I am displeased with your recent "All things considered" report on the repeal
of the assault weapon ban.
Why is that an organization (yours) financed by tax dollars collected from
Americans of all political parties, distorts the facts into compliance with the
Democratic party's platform?
I am a 22 year old college student and a gun owner. I believe that the gun and
magazine ban is wrong because it denies Americans the freedom of choice based
on soley cosmetic attributes. So-called "assault weapons" function no
differently than so-called "sporting weapons." This is like saying a Cadillac
with a hood ornament is illegal, but one without is fine.
The function is defined by the will of the user, not the object itself.
I hope in the future you will offer equal time to the dissenting opinion. Then
truly, all things may actually be considered.
James Wagar
Pacific Lutheran University
Tacoma, WA
KPLU FM 88.8 is an NPR affiliate
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 02:00:13 -0400
From: [D J Schultz 1] at [aol.com]
To: [N--B--N] at [tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu]
Subject: Re: ATC's reply
Jerry posted:
>>Sorry for the unrelated bandwidth, but I thought somke of you might be
interested to see the response from NPR to my email on the gun ban story.
They narrowed right in on my area of concern, don't you think?
Jerry Wootan
---------------------
Forwarded message:
From: [A--C] at [npr.org] (All Things Considered - NPR News)
To: [JERRYSYS 21] at [aol.com]
Date: 95-04-19 14:59:59 EDT
Thanks for your e-mail. We do read all correspondence, but the volume of mail
we receive makes this form letter necessary. Listen next Thursday, when we
read
from letters to the program.
<<
I got the same response, as I'm sure everyone else got. Tax dollars at work!
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Date: 19 Apr 95 22:04:03 -0600
From: [l--e--l] at [lever.ncdl.com] (L. Neil Smith)
To: [N--B--N] at [tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu]
Subject: INTERNET "DECENCY" BILL
* Carbons Sent to: [t--om--s] at [solbrn.dseg.ti.com] at 1:306/131.0
[gr conf] at [mainstream.com] at 1:306/131.0
Lever Action BBS
-=> Quoting [t--om--s] at [solbrn.dseg.ti.com] to L. Neil Smith <=-
TH> Is there any way we can stop this bill, or is it a forgone
TH> conclusion?
Sorry to take so long getting back to you. I'm about 200
messages behind. To answer your question, I don't know. I've
seen stuff about it on TV; reports say that the nerds and the
ACLU are up in arms. The only lists I subscribe to relate to
Second Amendment issues, and they're preoccupied with Newtie's
wonderful Pre-Veto Hearings.
TH> I am appalled at the complete lack of interest in this
TH> issue. Nobody (except for you and me, apparently) seems to
TH> care.
Well, I'll carbon this to the lists with the following
observations:
If I were a Democrat, and the internet had (A) been effective
in putting Republicans in the driver's seat in Congress and the
Senate, if it (B) threatened to change possession of the White
House, as well, and if it (C) seemed to be shaping up as the
medium through which an effective third party will finally come
to the fore and (D) every vestige of my own party's 60-year-old
socialist policies could be discredited and eradicated from
American history, I'd think it was a good idea for the government
-- preferably meaning my party -- to get the internet back under
control, wouldn't you?
And what better way to chill free speech than through the
time-proven, "they can't possibly enforce this ridiculous law"
method of selective state terrorism we presently see employed by
the IRS, the BATF, and the DEA?
And if, as usual, we could rely on plenty of help from the
short-sighted and feeble-minded opposition -- the tired old
outfit most likely to be replaced by that above-mentioned third
party -- so much the better.
[Simulated Democrat mode toggled OFF]
Thomas, this initial move to censor the internet is just as
clearly a threat to the Bill of Rights as the War on Drugs has
been. Trouble is, there are still some retards out there who have
to be convinced about the latter, and while we're doing that,
we're gonna be shut down by the former.
Or we'll decide that both major parties want only to control
our lives and differ only in the perfunctory justifications they
offer for it -- and move to an established pro-liberty party
while we still can.
Later,
Neil
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Date: 19 Apr 95 22:04:08 -0600
From: [l--e--l] at [lever.ncdl.com] (L. Neil Smith)
To: [N--B--N] at [tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu]
Subject: OKLAHOMA
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
LIBERTARIAN SECOND AMENDMENT CAUCUS
ON OKLAHOMA EXPLOSION
However tragic and reprehensible the disaster in Oklahoma
City today, it is obvious that the Clinton/Reno Administration
perceive it as a political opportunity, not only for the re-
election hopes of one of history's most discredited presidents,
but as a chance to transform their inherent inability to prevent
such disasters into another justification to increase the size,
power, and intrusiveness of government.
Feeding upon human calamity this way is in the basic nature
of all governments, and constitutes one reason Libertarians wish
to see them stringently curtailed. The mass media in particular
have a solemn responsibility -- and if they wish to restore their
own badly-damaged credibility, should make it their principal
business -- to ensure that the Clinton/Reno administration do not
profit from this tragedy.
Although no indication exists yet as to the responsibility
for this violent act, one thing is certain: it is a result, not
of insufficient government, but of too much. If it is the work
of Moslem terrorists, for example, it would never have occurred
without unconstitutional United States interference in the Middle
East. If it is in retaliation for the state terrorism committed
two years ago in Waco, Texas, the same is true.
These catastrophes never happened in America as long as the
government maintained at least a semblance of compliance with the
Constitution. Today, a mere semblance of compliance is no longer
enough. The only way to prevent such tragedies in the future is
to enforce the Bill of Rights.
Americans should be reassured or advised -- whichever is
appropriate -- that any political advantage taken by the current
administration in this affair will be reversed by a future
Libertarian government, and those responsible for seizing upon
this excuse to weaken the Constitution further will be prosecuted
to the fullest extent allowed by the highest law of the land.
L. Neil Smith <[l--e--l] at [lever.ncdl.com]>
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THE LANDO CALRISSIAN ADVENTURES, HENRY MARTYN, and PALLAS
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