Ryan: End oil subsidies?
Good grief. We don’t want to end oil subsidies because oil companies might “pass on their higher costs to consumers”? That’s nuts. It’s the consumers who pay for subsidies. Whether it’s at the pump or in the paycheck, we still have to pay for it. The difference is that subsidies cost more. Subsidies have to go through layers of both corporate bureaucracy and government bureaucracy, and each layer adds to the cost.
The oil companies have to hire lawyers and lobbyists to make sure they’re getting the most subsidy they can; they pass that cost on to consumers, too.
The federal bureaucracy has to pay bureaucrats to take time to deal with the subsidies. That adds to our taxes.
And then, since we don’t even have this money right now, we have to borrow some of it. That adds to our taxes tomorrow—and every day after tomorrow, since we keep having to pay interest on a national debt we aren’t paying down.
End oil subsidies. And do it as part of a plan that ends all subsidies, including NPR and Planned Parenthood, and whatever has taken over from ACORN. The Democrats want to end oil subsidies? Great! Use it as leverage to do something good for the future.
According to the New York Times, gasoline subsidies amount to about four billion a year; added into all of our other subsidies, that’s a lot of money, and we absolutely should cut it. But in the United States we use over 140 billion gallons a year. Even assuming that every penny of the lost subsidy ends up going to the gas pump, which is unlikely, that’s three cents a gallon. ExxonMobil claims that less than 3% of of their earnings come from the United States. If that percentage holds to the lost subsidy, it means gas prices rise about a tenth of a cent; and that still doesn’t count the time and money saved from not having to deal with them in the first place.
It wouldn’t surprise me, however, if the “subsidies” the Democrats are complaining about aren’t subsidies at all—whenever the Democrats talk about them, they always use a variation on the phrase “tax deductions and subsidies”. The New York Times article uses “subsidies” in the headlines, but talks about “tax incentives” in the article. I think ending all tax deductions is a good idea, too—but only with a commensurate drop in overall rates and simplification of the tax code. That, of course, would mean no rise in gas prices.
What the Democrats want to do is target a specific industry. What the Republicans should do is leverage that into fixing the root problem. Good on Paul Ryan for saying it:
As part of an overall corporate tax reform, tax loopholes and deductions for all corporations should be scaled back or eliminated entirely. That obviously includes oil companies. Elsewhere, we state that subsidies for all energy companies need to be reduced or eliminated so that we can get government out of the business of picking winners and losers in the market.
You support ending oil subsidies? Then support the Ryan Road Map.
- May 1, 2011: He’s not telling the truth, entirely
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So, yeah. The problem with Republicans answering questions about subsidies from the media, is that the media is getting its information from the White House and isn’t doing any fact checking.
And according to Democrat from Texas Martin Frost, the four billion Obama’s been talking about hasn’t gone to the “big” oil companies since 1975.
I’m a supporter of the president. I’m concerned that he’s going to lose credibility on this oil and gas issue, because he’s not telling the truth, entirely.
What he is saying is that you need to eliminate four billion dollars worth of tax breaks for major oil companies because major oil companies have obscene profits. The problem with this is that one of the big tax breaks that he’s citing, percentage depletion, was repealed by congress in 1975, thirty-six years, as it affects major oil companies.
The only ones that get percentage depletion any more are domestic independents, who drill most of the wells in the United States and employ four million people.
Frost claims to be worried that if people find out “the president is not telling the truth about the depletion allowance, that it doesn’t go to the major oil companies, he’s going to have some additional problems in the polls.”
It may still be a good idea to simplify the tax code so that independents don’t have to hire tax experts to reduce their tax burden, but we do need to understand what the current effects are if we expect to make any positive changes. If we don’t know what we’re changing, we can’t expect good results.
This is part of why it’s important, when we talk about ending subsidies, or ending loopholes, or ending deductions, to reform the entire system. When we focus on one particular subsidy or deduction, we become susceptible to lobbyists, who will lobby to ensure that it’s the other guy’s subsidies and deductions that get cut. This naturally puts the bigger companies in the position of being able to hurt smaller companies who can’t afford as many lobbyists and lawyers. In this case, Obama has been convinced by someone that he needs to hurt “independent oil”, which will naturally benefit “big oil”.
- As Oil Industry Fights a Tax, It Reaps Subsidies: David Kocieniewski
- “Oil industry officials say that the tax breaks, which average about $4 billion a year according to various government reports, are a bargain for taxpayers. By helping producers weather market fluctuations and invest in technology, tax incentives are supporting an industry that the officials say provides 9.2 million jobs.”
- Gas prices and industry earnings: A few things to think about the next time you fill up: Ken Cohen
- “ExxonMobil’s earnings are from operations in more than 100 countries around the world. The part of the business that refines and sells gasoline and diesel in the United States represents less than 3 percent—or 3 cents on the dollar—of our total earnings.”
- Gasoline and diesel usage and pricing at Wikipedia
- “The largest consumer of gasoline is the United States, which used an average of 386 million US gallons (1.46 gigalitres) of gasoline each day in 2005.”
- A Roadmap for America’s Future: Paul Ryan
- “The Federal Government’s current fiscal path is unsustainable: it leads to unprecedented levels of spending and debt that will overwhelm the budget, smother the economy, weaken America’s competitiveness in the global 21st century economy, and threaten the survival of the government’s major benefit programs.”
- Ryan calls for ending oil subsidies: Robin Bravender
- “We’re talking about reforming the safety net, the welfare system; we also want to get rid of corporate welfare. And corporate welfare goes to agribusiness companies, energy companies, financial services companies, so we propose to repeal all that,’ Ryan said in response to a question about oil subsidies.”
- ‘Oil Subsidies’ That Aren’t: Ramesh Ponnuru
- “‘Oil companies get a manufacturing tax credit that probably shouldn’t exist for any companies—so let’s abolish it for everyone rather than just the oil companies. They also enjoy, some of them, accelerated depreciation on investments, which probably should be extended to all companies. There just aren’t that many targeted subsidies that benefit the oil companies. And getting rid of them won’t bring the price of gas down.”
More government spending
- Othering reduced spending
- Reducing spending to match revenue is less of an answer than pretending the problem doesn’t exist.
- The Family Cow
- If you kill the cow for steak today, you won’t have any milk tomorrow. We are digging deep into our national cash cows—taxpayers—and we’re going to soon run out.
- Why “we don’t have a plan” is selfishly incompetent
- The Obama White House tells congress, “we don’t have a plan, but we don’t like your plan” when confronted with the destruction of the United States economy by 2027. Why can’t we continue to live large and then fix the problem in 2027?
More subsidies
- Deadly complications of government bureaucracy
- Government monopolies, whether government agencies or de facto government agencies in the form of government-sponsored enterprises, aren’t rewarded by getting product to the people who need it. They’re rewarded by kissing up the bureaucratic chain.
- U.S. PIRG supports Ryan budget plan
- U.S. Public Interest Research Groups calls on Democratic Senate, White House to pass end to subsidies, level playing field for “small businesses and companies that aren’t as connected” as companies like Monsanto, Cargill, Solyndra, and GM.