Why do gun owners think the left wants to take our guns?
For years, the NRA has been trying to pass laws to make the background check system more reliable. For years, Democrats have opposed these laws, even filibustering them, to keep them from passing.
So when this was posted recently on Facebook by a friend of mine from Lansing, Michigan:
SO sick and tired of people thinking liberals want their guns. We want COMMON SENSE. Better background checks, stricter laws and no one needs an assault rifle. Seriously. It’s about taking the guns away from and keeping them away from the “people who kill people.”
I thought, hey, okay, I’ll bite, maybe she’s serious:
The current version of the Cruz/Grassley bill to reform background checks is H.R. 38. It has passed the House and only needs to pass the Senate. It does literally what you are claiming we should support: improves background checks and increases law enforcement’s resources to enforce background check laws, in ways that would have stopped previous mass murders. At the same time that it cracks down on criminals it makes life easier for law-abiding gun owners by removing the pointless hassles we all have to got though every week but that criminals ignore.
If the left really believed what you wrote, H.R. 38 would have sailed through Congress. And yet it passed the House with 225 Republicans in favor and 184 Democrats voting against. It appears that the left doesn’t agree with you.
Write your Senators, both Democrats, and convince them to vote in favor of H.R. 38 in the Senate. I will believe it when I see it.
She replied with a naked link to a Washington Post article, “Why Senate Democrats are considering holding up a gun-control bill from one of their own”.
I read the article—and I’m guessing she either didn’t, or she was so caught up in the eye of the insulter that she didn’t realize it contradicted her original plea for common-sense reforms. Democrats, according to the article, had said they just wanted to reform background checks, not ban guns. Republicans joined them.1 Now Democrats were saying they really wanted more restrictions.
Her response?
Okay… I can’t say I disagree with them wanting more restrictions.
This is why gun owners always believe you want to ban firearms when you use weasel phrases like “common-sense gun laws”. Because you are so quick to refuse good reforms that you said you wanted when they don’t actually restrict firearms ownership. It happens in conversation, with individuals on the left berating gun owners for hearing the wrong thing, and then saying what they berate us for hearing.
- We want common-sense laws to stop violence. Stop thinking we want to take your guns, why can’t we reform the background check system?
- Great! Here are some common-sense laws to reform the background check system. They’d actually have stopped these murders.
- I can’t support that. It doesn’t ban any guns.
And it happens nationally, with Democrats saying they want reform and blocking it every time it comes up. It doesn’t help when they try to redefine confiscation to not include confiscation, so that they can say they’re not trying to confiscate firearms as they confiscate firearms.
Monday night, Rep. Swalwell [D-CA] appeared on Tucker Carlson’s show where he was asked to defend his proposal. Swalwell immediately claimed his proposal wasn’t calling for “confiscation.” “I’ve never suggested sending troops out or collecting, confiscating,” Swalwell explained.
Carlson read a quote from the Swalwell’s piece for the second time and concluded, “So, you’re going to prosecute people who don’t give up their weapons. That’s gun confiscation.”
“If they’re caught with them, yeah,” Swalwell replied. He added, “We’re not sending troops door to door.”
And when one of the vice chairs of the Democratic National Committee writes “Repeal the Second Amendment”, it’s hard to take that as anything other than wanting to get rid of the second-biggest impediment to banning guns. The Second Amendment doesn’t impede background checks, after all.
Part of the problem the left has with the NRA is that the left’s entire worldview is based on top-down control. That’s why they prefer national solutions rather than local solutions. That’s why they pass laws that bankrupt small businesses, causing the consolidation of health care, banking, and everything else they touch into fewer and fewer larger and larger businesses. Individuals frighten and confuse them. Everybody is somebody’s puppet, and all that matters is who holds the strings. So, they try to hold the strings.2
In that view, the NRA must be a puppet master. It cannot be the puppet of its members. There is no room in their worldview for a membership organization that responds to its members rather than the other way around.3
The NRA as a membership organization frightens and confuses the left. They have to pretend that it’s not a membership organization, and so they have to dehumanize its members. All of the complaints about “the NRA” and “the NRA’s influence” are precisely to obscure the fact that the National Rifle Association follows its members. Its leaders are elected by the membership. Its funds come from the membership. You can see this by looking at their financial statements. In order to get around this, the left needs to create wild conspiracy theories.
For example, How the Gun industry funnels tens of millions of dollars to the NRA. It goes to ridiculous lengths to paper over the fact that gun owners are more likely to buy guns from companies that are friendly to the NRA than they are to buy guns from companies that are not friendly to the NRA or who actively oppose it. From Ruger’s $1 donation for every gun sold to the NRA Round-Up that offers customers the option of rounding their purchase up to the nearest dollar to benefit the NRA, these programs are all aimed at individual gun owners, not the NRA. Both are added to the price of the purchase and paid, willingly, by the individual purchaser. In the case of the Round-Up program, it’s even a voluntary checkbox.
And manufacturers don’t advertise in the NRA’s magazines because they want to funnel money to the NRA. They advertise in the NRA’s magazines because that’s where their customers are. Gun manufacturers aren’t sneakily conspiring to funnel funds to the NRA. They are openly advertising their bona fides in order to attract more gun owners.4
The big takeaway from that article ought to be that the NRA used to be a giant social club, and now is a lobbying powerhouse. The writer puts that at the beginning, and then makes no attempt to address the elephant in the room: why did the NRA change? It’s a lot easier to be a social club than a lobbying group. You can get a lot more big donations from the big funding organizations. The reason the NRA changed is that, in the sixties and seventies, the left was literally trying to ban personal self-defense by banning all firearms through organizations like the National Coalition to Ban Handguns.
The National Coalition to Ban Handguns changed their name in 1990 to the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence without changing one bit of their policies. So when you talk about stopping gun violence and gun owners hear “we want to take away your guns”, that is one reason why. You’re using a long-established buzzword for “we want to take away your guns”.
There is no social club for an item that doesn’t exist. That’s why the NRA shifted—but not because the leadership wanted the change. The NRA shifted their policy because their members demanded it. The NRA leadership wanted to continue getting money from organizations like the Ford Foundation. The members wanted to protect their second amendment rights. Because the NRA is a membership organization, the members won. They voted the old leadership out and a new leadership in.
When the left says that the NRA is evil, gun owners reasonably hear that as saying all gun owners are evil. The NRA is the member, and every member knows it. Every member knows why self-defense rights have improved since the NRA changed course. We don’t have an Australian ban, or a British ban. We have 42 states that don’t restrict concealed carry, and a falling violent crime rate.
On the last discussion about how the NRA is an evil corporational conspiracy, I pointed out the math and history of how the NRA is a tool of its members. Another person posted the funneling article. My response was that the article was little more than an impossibly complex conspiracy theory trying to explain something that isn’t complex at all. Gun owners like the NRA, so giving $1 to the NRA for every gun sold attracts more customers. The response was not “no, here’s why this is an industry scheme rather than an attempt to please customers”, it was:
Serious progress can only be made when gun owners stop conflating 2nd amendment rights with the NRA. Getting the NRA out of the discussion is the biggest impediment to making any progress.
What progress is the NRA blocking? They support background checks. They support red flag laws. They even support banning bump stocks.
That’s pretty much how it always goes.
- The NRA is evil.
- I’m the NRA. I’m a member.
- You shouldn’t be. The NRA is a puppet of big money.
- No, the NRA wanted to be a puppet of big money, but we voted the big-money leadership out.
- Conspiracy. Corporations. It’s the corporations, and the conspiracy of corporations, to corporately conspire. I don’t want to ban guns, I just want to sideline the NRA, so we can have a real discussion on what to do about guns.
- My NRA is the only thing keeping you from banning guns. That’s why you want to get rid of it.
The only thing the NRA is an impediment to is actual gun bans. That’s why we know what you really mean when you say you just want common-sense gun laws. We support common-sense gun laws. The NRA supports common-sense gun laws. The only reason you could have for wanting to get rid of our most effective organization is because you want to confiscate our firearms.
No matter how you try to redefine confiscation.
In response to Institutional memory in political campaigns: Every four years, some conservatives buckle under the press’s lies, and hope that groveling will make the press treat them nice. It never works.
Note that this is misleading on the part of the Washington Post: Republican Ted Cruz has been at the forefront of background check reform for years, only to have the reform blocked by Democrats.
↑One of the many reasons Democrats lost the 2016 presidential elections is that their party’s rules has a mechanism for ignoring their membership, and the Republican Party does not. The Democrats’ party leadership tried to push their candidate from the top down, whereas the Republican candidate was purely a grassroots repudiation of the party leadership.
↑Look, for example, at the AARP for an example of the way a leftist organization acts: Setting policy from the top down, regardless of how divided their membership is on an issue. It’s up to the members to set policy for the NRA; it is up to the AARP to set policy for their members. It’s a completely different view of how organizations should act.
↑If you want a conspiracy, consider explaining the CDC’s attempt to hide research that replicated other research showing benefits to private self-defense. This had to involve a lot of people making a lot of decisions about what not to talk about and how to keep it hidden.
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conspiracy theories
- CDC warns gun owners to beware of the leopard
- More evidence that the CDC cannot be trusted doing research on firearms ownership.
- How The Gun Industry Funnels Tens Of Millions Of Dollars To The NRA: Walter Hickey
- “In its early days, the National Rifle Association was a grassroots social club that prided itself on independence from corporate influence.”
institutional Left
- DNC Vice Chair Publicly Demands Repeal of the 2nd Amendment: Jack Davis
- “The Vice Chair of Civic Engagement and Voter Participation of the Democratic National Committee has called for the repeal of the Second Amendment.”
- The eye of the insulter
- The left has become so unhinged that they’re sending out promo photos for President Trump, thinking they’re insulting him. They seem to have a pathological inability to appreciate working, and don’t recognize a serious working photo when they see one.
- Reminder to Deerfield residents: You have two weeks left to turn in your rifles and shotguns: Brett Taylor at Twitchy
- ”No one wants to take your guns? This is the second post Twitchy’s run today about gun confiscation.”
- Rep. Swalwell To Tucker Carlson: It’s Only Gun Confiscation ‘If They’re Caught With Them’: John Sexton at Hot Air
- “The banter over this went back and forth for a few minutes with Swalwell suggesting Americans would be “law-abiding” meaning they would turn in their guns if the government demanded they do so.”
- That’s What an Abuser Says: Erin Palette at Lurking Rhythmically
- “It’s like blaming a rape victim for what someone else was wearing.”
National Rifle Association
- How A-Political Was the National Rifle Association Before The Cincinnati Revolt of 1977?: David Yamane at gun culture 2.0
- “But to the extent that the political aspect of the NRA has changed, how much of the change is explainable in terms of the increasing scope and intensity of gun control efforts to which the organization has had to respond from the 1960s forward? Also, if the NRA became more closely aligned with one party than previously, how much is that due to the fact that anti-gun sentiments became more closely aligned with the other party than previously?”
- NRA: ‘Revolt at Cincinnati molded National Rifle Association: Jeff Suess
- “About 30,000 delegates attended the annual meeting May 21, 1977. Reformers wore blaze orange hunting caps and communicated via walkie-talkie around the convention floor. The NRA leaders shut off the air conditioning to discourage them.”
More gun control
- The Uplifters vs. the Forgotten Man
- From H.L. Mencken in the Baltimore Evening Sun, November 30, 1925.
- The left doesn’t believe red flag laws stop crime
- If the left believed that red flag laws target criminals, they wouldn’t take the guns. They’d take the criminals. Red flag laws are designed to be abused.
- Civil rights vs. showboat killers
- If we want to take away people’s civil rights to stop the showboat killers that seem to have proliferated since Columbine, is it worth it?
- The Vicious Cycle of Mass Murders
- We now know what went wrong. Let’s ignore the ghouls on Facebook and fix it.
- The institutional forgetfulness of the press
- We no longer have to rely on the press as our institutional memory. The Internet has made it harder for the left to pretend the past doesn’t exist, or to say one thing here and another there.
- Nine more pages with the topic gun control, and other related pages
More National Rifle Association
- Doug Hoffman, Conservatives, and the Dangers of Unreasoning Partisanship
- Effective politics means supporting candidates who share your principles, not who share your party. If your support reflexively goes to a single party all the time, that party won’t care about your principles.
- Make a difference as a voter
- The National Rifle Association knows how to ensure that their members make a difference when they vote.
More unreasoning partisanship
- The ruling class’s unexpectedly old clothes
- I recently ran across early use of “unexpectedly” for a conservative’s strong economy, referring to the early 1981 market recovery under President Reagan.
- Corpseman resurrected: correcting Betsy DeVos
- The left has once again decided that the way those people speak is ignorant, and that those people are too stupid to hold public office.
- Why is the country so divided?
- Because you keep trying to tell everyone else what to do.
- Divisive double standards
- It’s a hypocritical form of divisiveness, calling for togetherness and reason whenever your side commits a crime, and engaging in unreasoning partisanship when you can find some way to pin it on others.
- Why now for the alt-right?
- Why are people attracted to bullying movements today, when they weren’t yesterday? Because they see that bullying works.
- 32 more pages with the topic unreasoning partisanship, and other related pages