Clinton supporters, can we make a deal?
A writer I follow has asked Trump supporters to go down a list of “hypotheticals” and ask if Trump doing any of those things would make them “reconsider” their support for Donald Trump. I’m going to use that as the basis for this article, since it so neatly encapsulates the fear-mongering of the left since Donald Trump’s win.
- Crackdowns on educators
- Censoring of political speech
- Jailing of opposition leaders and/or reporters
- Systematic efforts to bankrupt institutions or news outlets
- Registries for minority or religious groups
- Restrictions on the Internet and social media
- Assaults on peaceful protestors and a blind eye toward prosecuting those responsible
- Defying court rulings
- Assassinations or detainment of dissidents
- Postponement of elections
- Internment camps
- Nuclear war
- Failure to recruit Bruce Willis to avert asteroid threatening Earth
Just take a moment, work with me, and think, “If, hypothetically, Trump were to do X, Y and Z from this list (or something else), then I would have to reconsider things.” Even if you think there’s less than zero chance of it happening. Even if it feels like an exercise in writing young adult dystopian fiction (which you should totally try by the way).
This is an amazing collection of apocalyptic fears. It is the kind of bullshit political fear-mongering that happens every four years, this time taken up to 11. It’s meant to sound reasonable while being completely insulting.
The line about postponing elections is something that the fringe on both sides tries to scare people with every two to four years from those fringe nut jobs whose self-image is predicated on the President being evil. Trump is not going to postpone elections any more than Obama was going to postpone elections, and Obama wasn’t any more likely than Bush to postpone elections, nor was Bush any more likely than Clinton to postpone elections, and so on for as long as I’ve been paying attention.
The rest of it1 is fear-mongering that the left doesn’t believe. We can know they don’t believe it because Donald Trump himself has given them the weapons to stop him from doing those things, if they really want to stop him. If the left is worried about Donald Trump going too far, all they need to do is offer to support any Supreme Court nominees on his promised pre-election list of conservative judges.
The real line in the sand will come before any of those fears of potential Trump tyrannies happen: will Trump stick to his promise to nominate Supreme Court justices who will vote against an imperial presidency? Or will he try to deviate from his campaign promises and vote for justices who will support executive overreach?
That’s where the left can prove they really believe their fear-mongering is possible. Do they believe what they’re saying enough to support conservative justices who will keep their fears from ever happening? Will Democrats promise to support anyone from that list, and not filibuster them?2
Or is this just general fear-mongering and insult?
Yes, the left is going to disagree with conservative judges. But the judges on that list are true conservative choices who will follow the constitution. The left’s problem with such judges in the past is not that they allow the executive to do too much, but that they allow the executive to do too little. Every one of the judges on that list will hold the President accountable to the constitution regardless of the President’s party.
So if the left is truly worried that this list is something that might actually happen, they will offer to support any judge on Trump’s pre-election list of judges.3 Of course, my guess is that they don’t believe that anything on that list is in any way possible. They’re just trying to spread fear and try to hang on to an unraveling constituency.
This kind of bullshit question is something the left has been able to get away with for several decades now, because they’ve congregated in education and the media. Say something completely unreasonable, but use the form of reasonable discourse in an attempt to hide it.
“I don’t beat my wife, and you know it.”
“Yes, but work with me here. If, hypothetically, you did beat your wife, when did you stop? Answer the question!”
The media, which isn’t very bright to begin with, prefers the form of reasonable discourse over actual reasonable discourse, and will try to treat anyone who points out how completely unreasonable the thrust of the statement is, as refusing to answer the question.
“Just answer the question. When did you stop beating your wife?”
This tactic is even worse in this case because some of the things on that list were explicitly proposed or in fact, actually done by Donald Trump’s opponent. The Citizens United ruling was literally about censoring a film that criticized Hillary Clinton, for example. She wanted to overturn that ruling and go back to censoring political speech. Opposition to Citizens United was a major part of her campaign.
They’re trying to question the judgement of voters, based on fears about one candidate’s possibly supporting political censorship, when that candidate’s opponent explicitly supported it. That’s crazy.
It wasn’t Donald Trump who joked about droning Julian Assange, nor was it Donald Trump’s team who erased documents two weeks after learning that those documents were under indictment.
Those were things that actually happened. You can choose to believe that those emails were deleted after the subpoena for reasons other than hiding crimes, but they were still deleted after a subpoena.
This list is like a known wifebeater asking their opponent when they stopped beating their wife. And when it’s pointed out that the questioner actually is a wifebeater, well, “Litigating what Hillary Clinton did or didn’t want to do seems a little beside the point at this stage, no?”
Well, no. That is the entirety of this question whenever it’s proposed: how could you be so wrong as to elect someone who might go on to do these horrible things? Who was going to be president, Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton? Giant douche or turd sandwich? Turd sandwich or giant douche? Someone who you are afraid will do what’s on that list of bad things, or someone who actually promised to do what’s on that list?
So, I’d ask you to consider the same question:
Just take a moment, work with me, and think, “If, hypothetically, Clinton were discovered to have wanted to do X, Y and Z from this list (or something else), then I would have to reconsider things.” Even if you think that the candidate herself was lying and there's less than zero chance of it having happened. Pretend that the media lied to you.
If you were being reasonable, this is the question you’d be asking yourself. You have all these fears of Trump, and yet the only alternative was someone who actually embodied some of those fears.
Further, to the extent that the President can make up laws through executive orders, it is because the left has supported legislating by executive order over the last eight years.
What has changed now?
That is the question the left should be writing about, instead of crying wolf about an apocalyptic Trump presidency.
That you instead keep trying to address the specks in a Trump presidency rather than Clinton’s own planks is, in fact, “why you lost the election in the first place!!”
With both exclamation points.
In response to Election 2016: Another fine mess you’ve gotten us into.
Except for the very important question about our space defense preparedness. The sad nature of such fear-mongering as this, is that it obscures the important questions of our time.
↑By doing so, they also get to keep the Supreme Court filibuster, after getting rid of it themselves to bypass Republicans.
↑They might, of course, offer to support Ted Cruz as well, just to get him out of the Senate and get a judge who doesn’t like Trump on the Court.
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Election Lessons
- Election lessons: The Supreme Court and the New Tone
- If the left really wants to reign in Donald Trump, they should force him to stick to the list of potential Supreme Court nominations that he announced before the election.
- A Lesson in Cognitive Dissonance: Scott Adams at Dilbert
- “As Trump continues to demonstrate that he was never the incompetent monster his critics believed him to be, the critics will face an identity crisis. They either have to accept that they understand almost nothing about how the world works – because they got everything wrong about Trump – or they need to double-down on their current hallucination. Most of his critics will double-down. That’s how normal brains work.”
- An open letter to the angry Left re Donald Trump’s victory: Bookworm at Bookworm Room
- “Given how wrong the media was about this, isn’t it time that you begin to wonder if the media was wrong about other things?”
- Trump supporters, can we make a deal?: Nathan Bransford
- “That's crazy, you might be thinking. You liberals have lost your damn minds. You are in a bubble! (FWIW my parents are farmers and I grew up in a county that voted overwhelmingly for Trump but yes I do now live in Manhattan in a building that has more people living in it than my entire hometown). We elected a businessman, not a tyrant. There you go again, overhyping and lying. You lost. Get over it. Our institutions are strong. If Trump sucks he'll be impeached or voted out. Give the guy a chance. This attitude is why you lost the election in the first place!!”
- You are still crying wolf: Scott Alexander at Slate Star Codex
- “Trump made gains among blacks. He made gains among Latinos. He made gains among Asians. The only major racial group where he didn’t get a gain of greater than 5% was white people. I want to repeat that: the group where Trump’s message resonated least over what we would predict from a generic Republican was the white population.” (Memeorandum thread)
Hillary Clinton
- After Podesta Said Emails Should Be Dumped, Bleachbit Was Used to Wipe Hillary’s Subpoenaed Server: Katie Pavlich at Townhall
- “March 4, 2015: Clinton issued a subpoena by the Benghazi Select Committee to preserve documents on the private server. “March 27-31: Bleachbit is used to wipe Clinton’s server clean and hired IT workers express concern over a coverup, ‘shady sh*t.’” (Memeorandum thread)
- Here’s What You Won’t Hear About Citizens United at the Democratic National Convention This Week: Damon Root at Reason Magazine
- “It’s a 500-page book, and at the end it says, so vote for X, the government could ban that?” asked an incredulous Chief Justice John Roberts. Yes, the deputy solicitor general conceded, according to the government’s theory of the present case, the government could indeed ban that book.
- Thank Citizens United That You Can See ‘13 Hours’ This Weekend: Kyle Sammin at The Federalist
- “Thanks to our First Amendment, there is nothing the Obama administration can do about it. Government may not censor films about current events, politics, or any other subject even if they might affect an election. Indeed, they may not be censored even if they are designed to affect an election.”
- Under Intense Pressure to Silence Wikileaks, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton Proposed Drone Strike on Julian Assange
- “Immediately following the conclusion of the wild brainstorming session, one of Clinton’s top aides… penned an email to Clinton, [and] Huma Abebin… entitled ‘an SP memo on possible legal and nonlegal strategies re Wikileaks.’” (Memeorandum thread)
More Clinton destruction of records scandal
- Shocker: Hillary Clinton endorses Donald Trump
- After reviewing Comey testimony, former Secretary of State says Donald Trump has more of what it takes to be President, drops out of race.
- Why is the media saying Sanders lost the debate?
- Bernie Sanders spoke an important and inconvenient truth about socialism when he came to Hillary Clinton’s defense at the debates.
More Election 2016
- The Parable of the Primary
- If Republicans are looking to be more Obama than Obama, they couldn’t have found a better cronyist than Donald Trump.
- The Hillary Clinton e-mail ‘scandal’ that isn’t
- There’s no there here, and it doesn’t affect her campaign. Nothing in the law says felons can’t be President.
- Why is the media saying Sanders lost the debate?
- Bernie Sanders spoke an important and inconvenient truth about socialism when he came to Hillary Clinton’s defense at the debates.
- Clinton vows UFO investigation
- Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton assures America she will investigate the UFOs of Area 51 and stand up to the vast ice cream conspiracy.
- Is Iowa the end of the game, or the beginning?
- It depends on whether your job is to win, or to guess the winner.
- 17 more pages with the topic Election 2016, and other related pages
More Hillary Clinton
- Election lessons: be careful what you wish for
- Republicans should learn from the Democrats’ mistake of the primary season: be careful what you wish for, you might just get… half of it. They wanted Donald Trump as Hillary Clinton’s opponent.
- Clinton accuses Russia of infiltrating United States government
- Worried about falling poll numbers in working-class states, Clinton campaign identifies, addresses, a key concern of middle-class: the Soviet threat to the United States electoral process.
- Hillary Clinton embraces book banning
- During latest debate, Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton embraced book bans, drone targeting of critical works.
- The candidate we deserve
- Do we deserve these two candidates? Well, we voted for them, and we listened to the media that pushed them on us.
- Clinton calls for institutionalizing, curing, Trump supporters
- After Republican Donald Trump calls for a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton’s email server, Hillary Clinton calls for beating Trump supporters. Journalists immediately investigate voter who asked question about health care.
- 16 more pages with the topic Hillary Clinton, and other related pages
More President Donald Trump
- Trump, tariffs, and the war on American workers
- Why do so many American workers support Trump so strongly against the wishes of their union leadership? Partly because only Trump recognizes that we’re in a war targeting American workers.
- Walk toward the fire
- Trump reassures crowd after assassination attempt fails.
- Trump and the January 6 defendants
- There appears to be a concerted effort on conservative forums to blame Trump for not doing anything for the January 6 prisoners and defendants. Is it true?
- Betrayal is bad advice
- It makes sense that the beltway would want to depress voter turnout by working class voters. It’s a mistake for Trump supporters to do so.
- Who is Trump running against?
- If Trump runs against Biden, he’ll lose, just like he did in 2020: by getting more votes but fewer ballots. It looks like Trump understands that. He’s not running against Biden. He’s running against the Democrats and Republicans who put Biden in power.
- 30 more pages with the topic President Donald Trump, and other related pages
More projection
- What the f*** is wrong with Americans?
- Do you disagree with the left? Then there’s something the f*** wrong with you.
- The left’s vicious racial shaming
- The left is waging a war against struggling mothers—all in service of creating racial discord and shoring up their identity politics.
- The cyclic transmogrification of the Republican Party
- From Lincoln on, Democrats have accused Republicans of their own failings: hate speech, violence, madness. And the more the left recycles the same serpent’s lies they used against President Lincoln, the more the left turns Trump into the new Lincoln.
- Franklin D. Trump: What else can I do?
- Does the left want internment camps for Americans of Russian descent?
- The eye of the insulter
- The left has become so unhinged that they’re sending out promo photos for President Trump, thinking they’re insulting him. They seem to have a pathological inability to appreciate working, and don’t recognize a serious working photo when they see one.