Was Weinstein treated better than Spacey because his accusers were women?
I recently saw this complaint about how the accusations against Kevin Spacey were handled vs. the accusations against Harvey Weinstein:
Interesting how one man accuses Kevin Spacey and immediately everyone believes him, and takes KS’s TV show away, and decries what a terrible asshole he is—and all of that happens in a DAY
Meanwhile dozens of women had to accuse Cosby or Weinstein over the course of decades before anyone took notice
And dozens of women have accused Trump and he’s the GD MFing president
WHAT IF WE BELIEVED WOMEN LIKE THAT, EH?
This is making an unwarranted assumption: the writer is assuming that Kevin Spacey has not been accused before and has not had those accusations covered up and/or ignored just as the accusations against Weinstein were. This assumption is wrong. Just as the Weinstein deluge came only after one accusation finally made it through Hollywood’s protective shield, the same is happening to Spacey. Kevin Spacey has been at the center of rumors for years, just as Weinstein was; possibly even worse rumors than Weinstein, involving underage orgy after-parties. The history of accusations against Spacey is very similar to the history of accusations against Weinstein, but with men instead of women and sex parties instead of workplace harassment. The culture of deception is the same one that protected Weinstein.
The first I heard Spacey’s name in connection with sexual harassment was back in 2014 when Bryan Singer was accused—by a man—of sexual harassment. That accusation hasn’t affected Singer’s standing in Hollywood either, at least not over the long term.
The media didn’t cover Spacey’s involvement, but it appeared to be well-known—if you paid attention to the comments on Hollywood blogs and news sites. And IMDB, for that matter. The reason Spacey got caught this time, in my opinion, is precisely because Weinstein got caught first. It would have been hard for Hollywood to sweep the Spacey allegations under the rug while at the same time trying to defend itself against the accusations that Hollywood culture not just ignored but defended Weinstein.1
Had these allegations occurred in the opposite order, Spacey’s would still have been swept under the rug as similar allegations have in the past; there is nothing in this man’s allegations to overcome Hollywood’s shield. This is not a case of men being believed more often than women. It’s a case of a probably temporary lifting of the curtain in Hollywood to see the Hollywood culture of deception.
It’s easy to see why Megan Dietz thought the Spacey accusations came out of nowhere, and it ties right back into the culture of Hollywood. Look at the news stories about Spacey: none of them mention any previous history. They’re still trying to cover up and pretend that this is a temporary, minor problem.
Protecting future women and men from this kind of abuse will require addressing the culture that allows it, not diverting attention away from that culture and pretending it’s a universal gender problem. If we don’t hold the entertainment industry accountable, we will let them off the hook again; in another year not only will others in the industry feel that they can get away with abusive and even criminal behavior, but Weinstein and Spacey will also. Weinstein will be back producing, and Spacey will once again be a sought-after celebrity.
And this is more important than just entertainment. There is, after all, another culture in the United States that is just as bad as the entertainment industry when it comes to sexual harassment and even assault against women and men: Washington, DC.
I used to live in San Diego, where a DC transplant became mayor. Former congressman Bob Filner thought he could get away with the same kind of harassment in San Diego that he got away with for over a decade in Congress. Filner was in the House from 1991 to 2012 and never got caught. Actually, that’s not quite true. He got caught, but nobody pressed charges and the party machinery figured that was good enough. He very quickly discovered, however, that San Diego is not Washington, but not before first getting a lot of help from the national media, who either refused to report on it or, when they did, drew attention away from Filner’s status as a DC politician.
If you look at what Filner did to try to avoid responsibility after getting caught, it looks almost exactly like what Weinstein thought would get him out of trouble. Going to a sex rehab facility and leaving early, for example.2
And look at how hard it was to get the authorities and other politicians interested in the charges against congressman Anthony Weiner. If it hadn’t been for rogue journalist Andrew Breitbart, Weiner’s crimes would have been ignored as well, despite being out in the open.
Weinstein and Spacey are not isolated incidents, nor is their behavior anything new, except that in this case they were both caught and face at least temporary repercussions. Far worse accusations—even proven ones—do not normally harm a celebrity’s standing in Hollywood. Roman Polanski drugged and raped a thirteen-year-old in 1977 and then fled the country. Prominent Hollywood personalities have ever since tried to downplay his crime as “a little mistake”, most famously when Whoopi Goldberg said “it wasn’t rape-rape” when Polanski drugged and then anally raped his thirteen-year-old victim. Most tellingly she also argued that some cultures see what he did differently than his persecutors. Polanski has continued to receive awards from Hollywood organizations and continues to receive praise from celebrities, who go out of their way to travel overseas and work with him.
Washington is the same way. Senator Ted Kennedy was lionized by the DC elite, both politicians and journalists, throughout his life and after his death, despite very credible allegations about his behavior toward women. Even those journalists who believed that he left Mary Jo Kopechne to drown at Chappaquiddick praised him despite his behavior, during his life as well as after he died. So did his colleagues, even his opponents who might be expected to use his behavior against him.
Bill Clinton remains a star Democrat despite credible allegations of sexual harassment and rape.
The DC culture is that all of us who are not insiders are marks to be fooled. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hollywood views us the same way. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that both cultures rely on deception to be successful. The cultures of Hollywood and DC are interconnected. Just do a search on Jeffrey Epstein——convicted of sex with minors as young as 14—to see high-profile politicians (such as Bill Clinton and, though he wasn’t a politician at the time, Donald Trump) and high-profile celebrities (such as… Kevin Spacey) as part of Epstein’s circle of friends.
And while I can’t think of cases similar to Kennedy’s and Polanski’s involving male actors or politicians with young boys, this is less because we believe women more than men, but that we are far more lenient about men having sex with underage males. That’s why Kevin Spacey tried to pull the ham-handed “but I’m gay, too” card. He expected from past uses of the ploy that it would work, that as long as you were gay statutory rape was okay. That was one of the ways Senator Barney Frank got out of trouble in the eighties.
There’s an old saying that some politicians can’t be brought down except by a live boy or a dead girl, but in fact even live (call) boys/pimps are tolerated in DC. Senator Barney Frank ran or allowed someone else to run a gay prostitution ring out of his apartment. Senator Frank was mostly exonerated in the DC press and by his colleagues in DC, his male accuser disbelieved. Frank had merely exhibited “poor judgment”. His excuse that “I was emotionally vulnerable… I was still coming to terms with being gay…” was taken at face value.
The other tactic he used successfully was threatening to expose other politicians. The DC press not only didn’t see anything weird about that, they also didn’t investigate. In other words, everyone knew. And just let it remain part of the culture.
Changing both the entertainment and DC cultures will mean reversing the tendency toward a political and entertainment aristocracy.
There are no wise few. Every aristocracy that has ever existed has behaved, in all essential points, exactly like a small mob. — G.K. Chesterton (Heretics•)
Both Hollywood and DC believe that their job is to coerce and force us to do what they want.
I believe we need government—a government that forces us to care for the common good even when we don’t feel like it… — George Stephanopolous (All Too Human)
Most of DC believes this: that it is their job to force themselves on us. There are several old jokes about the difference between government and a prostitute, all of them involving government not respecting the boundaries of common decency. But as long as we let them believe that government’s job is to force us to act against our will, it’s no joke. Politicians will continue to believe not just that they can get away with abusive behavior, but that they deserve commendation for it. After all, that’s why we sent them to DC.
In response to The child sex of the anointed: There’s nothing so uncommon as common sense in DC, and the Washington Post epitomizes the nonsensical vision of the anointed with Betsy Karasik’s article proposing legalizing sex between high school teachers and high school students “absent extenuating circumstances”.
The ham-handed way Spacey tried to get past the allegations, by also coming out as gay at the same time, probably didn’t help him.
↑It came out while I was writing this that Spacey is following this playbook now, too, and will be going to the same rehab clinic that Weinstein spent a week at.
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Bob Filner
- Bob Filner media post-mortem
- Filner’s out, but the media’s war on women continues.
- Gosh, Mr. Filner. Are you a corrupt sleazebag? Why no, Mr. Chairman! Not enough for charges anyway!
- It’s getting crazier and crazier. The Democratic Party here knew about the accusations against Filner before he even ran. They covered it up. Their investigation consisted of… asking him about it.
- Why isn’t Bob Filner resigning?
- Because he thinks he can get away with it—and chances are, he’s right. The watchdog media becomes a lapdog media where Democrats are concerned, especially when those Democrats are in contested areas.
Hollywood
- Right Angle—Game Over?: Stephen Green, Bill Whittle, and Scott Ott at Bill Whittle | Common Sense Resistance
- “Recent reports of sexual allegations against major players in Hollywood spell trouble for the movie industry.”
Kevin Spacey
- Bryan Singer bows out of ‘X-Men’ publicity in light of allegations: Nicole Sperling
- From the comments: “It isn't just heresay or gossip (well, it IS gossip, but much of it is firsthand accounting). The common denominator is Singer’s liking of very young men. ‘Pedophile’ isn't a stretch at all. He and Roland Emmerich (and Kevin Spacey is often mentioned) are well known for these wild parties. People have often noted underage (either known or lying about their age) attending these parties that eventually become orgies. Singer was the worst kept secret in Hollywood, and the world wide web.”
- Jeffrey Epstein: the billionaire paedophile with links to Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Robert Maxwell–and Prince Andrew: Andrew Buncombe
- “Many A-list celebrities broke off links with the businessman after he was conviction of having sex with an underage girl.”
- Kevin Spacey Is A Weirdo
- “I know that finding out that a Hollywood celebrity is a sexual deviant who can’t get let off the leash for five minutes before he gets high and drives a truck through your yard might come as a bit of a shock.”
- Once again everyone knew: How stories of Kevin Spacey's behaviour have long alarmed others in the industry: Tom Leonard at Daily Mail.com
- “Although Rapp’s allegations mark the first time Spacey has been accused of targeting a child, it’s clear stories of his behaviour have long alarmed others in a famously tolerant industry.”
- People who are involved in Bryan Singer Sex Ring: Chris Treborn
- It has an IMDB page for crying out loud.
- Why was Bryan Singer's name trending on Twitter after Kevin Spacey's news broke?: Erin Strecker
- “The dominos continue to fall as powerful men in Hollywood are called out for allegedly using their positions to take sexual advantage of young people. Kevin Spacey was the latest. But why was X-Men and The Usual Suspects director Bryan Singer trending on Twitter as Spacey's allegations went down?”
- ‘X-Men’ Director Bryan Singer Accused of Sexually Abusing Teenage Boy
- From the comments: “wait, people are surprised about kevin spacey? he's always out being seen with young guys”
Ted Kennedy
- Here’s how Ted Kennedy sexually assaulted a waitress: Daniel Greenfield
- “As Gaviglio enters the room, the six-foot-two, 225-plus-pound Kennedy grabs the five-foot-three, 103-pound waitress and throws her on the table. She lands on her back, scattering crystal, plates and cutlery and the lit candles. Several glasses and a crystal candlestick are broken. Kennedy then picks her up from the table and throws her on Dodd, who is sprawled in a chair. With Gaviglio on Dodd's lap, Kennedy jumps on top and begins rubbing his genital area against hers, supporting his weight on the arms of the chair.”
- Ted Kennedy On the Rocks: Michael Kelly
- “When I asked Utah Senator Orrin Hatch—a conservative Republican who nevertheless works closely and likes Kennedy—if he thought his colleague had a drinking problem, I got a similarly telling response. ‘I wouldn’t comment on that. I wouldn’t comment on that. All I can say is that I consider him a friend,’ said Hatch. ‘I have found [him to be] a vulnerable human being who has a very good side to him. I think he has some bad sides too, but there is a good side to him that I choose to look at.’”
- Washington’s Sexual Awakening: Eric Konigsberg
- “In the capital, rules about sex are made to be broken… Those to the manner born who’ve been in trouble—Ted Kennedy and Chris Dodd, for instance, who participated in the famous ‘waitress sandwich’ at La Brasserie in 1985, while their dates were in the bathroom—have tended to get out of it by claiming that their boyish high jinks had simply gotten out of hand.”
More Eloi class
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More Washington, DC
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- This Senatorial procedural could be straight from Dumas, and the themes hidden in the action are timeless.
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- Parliament of Whores
- Parliament of Whores is perhaps the best introduction to Washington, DC politics that I’ve seen. And it’s funny as hell to boot.
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